Cap and Rotor

[Booch]

Originally Posted by dmbrisket 51

ac delco.! lets take what booch said here in post number 14 for a second, yes they are made at the same plant, but, my buddie makes cheese, and at this same plant they make pepper jack, american, swiss and about a dozen other types, no 2 cheeses taste the same, no two plugs are created equal, you do what you want with your vehicals, but our blazers call for, work best, and last longest on ac delco platnum plugs, bottum line, every thing else is pure shit, including bosh 4, champion, autolite (ford plug) and any other redaly available plug... tommy boy says it best 'you can get a good look at a T bone by sticking your head up the bulls ass, but wouldnt you rather take the butchers word on it?'

Wow; is spelling really that tough?

At the time I left Honeywell (about 2 years ago), they were making about 40% of the AC-Delco / GM plugs, and this percent was growing. Honeywell also made the Ford plug, called MOTORCRAFT (not Autolite). They even make the 'platnum' versions as well, which are 'redaly' available. 'Bottum' line; plugs manufactured by Honeywell are of a very similar design, to allow flexibility in production.

I absolutely agree that all plugs are not the same; however, the Motorcraft, Autolite, and AC plugs that are made at Honeywell's Fostoria, Ohio plant are pretty much interchangable for a given application.

dmbrisket, you made some comments earlier that only AC Delco has the heat range needed by a Blazer; this is utterly ridiculous. Heat range is defined by the temperature of the spark plug electrode, sidewire, and insulator assembly in the combustion chamber during normal operating conditions. This temperature can be controlled during the plug's design stage by adjusting how much of the ceramic insulator assembly is touching the inside of the steel shell; the more contact, the faster heat will dissipate from the electrode and sidewire, through the insulator and shell, and ultimately into the engine head.

For a fairly simple explanation, check out these links;

http://www.autolite.com/pdf/HeatRangeFacts.pdf
http://www.autolite.com/pdf/UnderstandingHeatRange.pdf

And some decent pics are here;

http://www.autolite.com/pdf/PlugTips.pdf

By all means you should use the plug of your choice; just be sure to do some research and make an informed decision, rather than one based on opinions.

[JoulesWinfield]

Originally Posted by dmbrisket 51

... tommy boy says it best 'you can get a good look at a T bone by sticking your head up the bulls ass, but wouldnt you rather take the butchers word on it?'

LOL!!

I love that movie.

But along the lines of what booch was talking about; I installed a line in a plant that makes air filters for several brand names. They are all identical. Its been a while so I dont remember which brands. Different companies do share parts and/or engineering to reduce costs.

I would be curious to know more about this.

[dmbrisket 51]

Originally Posted by Booch

Wow; is spelling really that tough?

accually yes it is, i have a low spelling and reading with comp problem... but ive had the last crack from you guys on that, and alwase with stupid shit, what does the guy with the licence on the wall know? nothing, sorry but i am out, you backyarders have fun figguring out what your doing wrong and when, hope that every one else can come up with answers, to the intellegent on the sight, most of you have my e mail already, feel free to keep in contact, as i will probibly do so

[OverBoardProject]

DM isn't the only one on this board that has a form of dyslexia. I do as well.

They're finding out that it's a very common problem these days.

We all try our best to make everything as ledgable as possible, but it can be impossible at times. What we see can often look right to us, and I even have the opposite problem as well, where I see a word that's spelled properly but doesn't look right.

I've only made 1 comment on AF about bad spelling, and that's because the person made about 10 spelling errors while calling another member stupid.
I was more pissed of at the way he was treating the other member than anything else.

So would everyone please refrain themselves from making negitave comments about bad spelling or grammer.
There might be a reason for it.

If you don't understand what they mean feel free to tell then and they will come up with another way to ask or answer the question

[SComp23]

Agreed, that was way out of line. You clearly knew what he was trying to say because you were able to copy/paste some of the mistakes he made to ridicule him. Don't come on here and act like a pompous ass just because you worked for Honeywell, no one cares. People come here to get good advice, not to be criticized. Take a good look at Brisket's post count, he clearly has a little bit more invested in this forum than you do.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by Booch

Wow; is spelling really that tough?

At the time I left Honeywell (about 2 years ago), they were making about 40% of the AC-Delco / GM plugs, and this percent was growing. Honeywell also made the Ford plug, called MOTORCRAFT (not Autolite). They even make the 'platnum' versions as well, which are 'redaly' available. 'Bottum' line; plugs manufactured by Honeywell are of a very similar design, to allow flexibility in production.

I absolutely agree that all plugs are not the same; however, the Motorcraft, Autolite, and AC plugs that are made at Honeywell's Fostoria, Ohio plant are pretty much interchangable for a given application.

dmbrisket, you made some comments earlier that only AC Delco has the heat range needed by a Blazer; this is utterly ridiculous. Heat range is defined by the temperature of the spark plug electrode, sidewire, and insulator assembly in the combustion chamber during normal operating conditions. This temperature can be controlled during the plug's design stage by adjusting how much of the ceramic insulator assembly is touching the inside of the steel shell; the more contact, the faster heat will dissipate from the electrode and sidewire, through the insulator and shell, and ultimately into the engine head.

For a fairly simple explanation, check out these links;

http://www.autolite.com/pdf/HeatRangeFacts.pdf
http://www.autolite.com/pdf/UnderstandingHeatRange.pdf

And some decent pics are here;

http://www.autolite.com/pdf/PlugTips.pdf

By all means you should use the plug of your choice; just be sure to do some research and make an informed decision, rather than one based on opinions.

Lay off of the spelling crap. You may know how to spell but you do not know squat about spark plugs.
Any Gm mechanic/tech knows to use AC-delco in a GM
And any ford tech/mechanic knows to use Motorcraft in a ford And
Any cry tech/mechanic knows to use champion/mopar in a cry/dodge.
Autolite and bosch and other aftermarket crap do not get the job done.
And do not believe a word of that www. autolite crap
MT

[BlazinMlew]

Originally Posted by MT-2500

Lay off of the spelling crap. You may know how to spell but you do not know squat about spark plugs.
Any Gm mechanic/tech knows to use AC-delco in a GM
And any ford tech/mechanic knows to use Motorcraft in a ford And
Any cry tech/mechanic knows to use champion/mopar in a cry/dodge.
Autolite and bosch and other aftermarket crap do not get the job done.
And do not believe a word of that www. autolite crap
MT

[OverBoardProject]

Please read this thread, and feel free to add any usefull comments that I missed
http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...70#post3982370

[DINO55]

Hey DM,
Don't let STUPID CHILDISH COMMENT'S from a FOOL spoil it for the rest of us. That's not fair to all the good guy's and gal's on this board who look for your help and advice for our trucks, many of which i've taken...

Dino....

[blazee]

I've got 60,000 miles on my Autolite wires and Autolite platinum plugs, and my engine is still running great. I noticed a miss at idle when the plugs hit 50,000 miles, and assumed that the plugs were the problem. I bought a new set of AC Delco Plats, but after changing the air filter the engine started running fine again, so I left the Autolites in. As far as cap and rotor I would recommend only using AC Delco, I've heard of a lot of people having problems with some of the cheaper ones.


As for the negative turn this thread has taken.....

Booch is obviously a smartass, and if he keeps up the insults he will get a vacation.

The comments implying that proper grammar isn't that important are incorrect. There are rules in AF's guidelines discussing this issue. No one is expected to be perfect or even near perfect, but an attempt should be made to make every post as easy to read as possible. We all make mistakes. Hell, I make them all the time, I'm sure that this post will have mistakes that I missed, but for the most part it should be legible. I've seen people get warnings and bans for making a lot less mistakes than dmbrisket 51. I (and others that have been here awhile) know about his problem and let things slide, but I've seen him go months at a time making very clear and understandable posts, so I know he can do it, and would like to see him put a little more effort into making such posts again. My main problem is that what I want to say comes out faster than I can type so I end up leaving out several words. I normally spend several minutes checking a post before submitting it, hoping that I can fix most of the mistakes. Asking someone to make their posts a little clearer shouldn't be considered a bad thing, it isn't about being mean to that person, it's about making things easier for everyone else. Now, pointing out the mistakes in a childish way simply to make fun of the person, such as Booch did, will get you a temp ban, and if you can't learn from that, a permanent ban.

[OverBoardProject]

Blazee, I know that with myself I might see properly for months at a time, and then It's like someone threw a light switch making it really difficult for me to both read and write. And this condition might only last a few hours or several months at a time.

It might be the same for DM, I have no way of knowing.

I always try proof reading whatever I write, and if I can't manage it I'll sometimes just shut the computer down for a while, and hope that I'm better soon.

That's why I really don't want to see anyone badmouthing someone over something as pittifull as spelling. There might be a good reason for it

[Cloud Strife]

Originally Posted by blazee

I've got 60,000 miles on my Autolite wires and Autolite platinum plugs, and my engine is still running great. I noticed a miss at idle when the plugs hit 50,000 miles, and assumed that the plugs were the problem. I bought a new set of AC Delco Plats, but after changing the air filter the engine started running fine again, so I left the Autolites in. As far as cap and rotor I would recommend only using AC Delco, I've heard of a lot of people having problems with some of the cheaper ones.

I am running Autolite Plats in my Blazer right now. They have maybe 15k on them and I am experience a slight miss at idle. It is very very minor but I can feel it. So I may have to put in some AC Delco's to see if that fixes the issue.

Plus I am due for a cap/rotor change.

[OverBoardProject]

Cloud Strife, I hope that you change the cap and rotor first, then give a report on your findings.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by OverBoardProject

Cloud Strife, I hope that you change the cap and rotor first, then give a report on your findings.

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by Cloud Strife

I am running Autolite Plats in my Blazer right now. They have maybe 15k on them and I am experience a slight miss at idle. It is very very minor but I can feel it. So I may have to put in some AC Delco's to see if that fixes the issue.

Plus I am due for a cap/rotor change.

A bad plug usually will miss under a load.
If you have a idle miss or rough running. Check vacume lines and pcv valve and clean TBI butterfly and MAF sensor if you have one.
Also while checking cap and rotor check side play in dist shaft.
MT