2003 bmw m3 vs 04 cadillac cts-v

[flylwsi]

did you honestly just say "putting the power at usable revs"???

low end torque and hp means you don't have to down shift to get into the power band, there is always power.

with that, you don't need to rev high to get power...

FYI:
there are, and were, v8's that came stock in the 60's and now, that revved to over 7k. and made tons of power.
and were reliable.

get off your " i hate v8's kick".
it makes everything else you say sound completely irrational.

i'd hate to have a car with engine technology that has consistently wiped tracks with other cars' engines for over 50 years...
i'd hate it.

and come on, who wants a car with proven race winning history in its blood, let alone in its motor? riiiight.

[V8slayer]

You need to calm down a little flylwsi.

I believe getting a flat torque curve is always a priority in engine design. That's why the Porsche GT3 design team and the Audi LM design team both put a lot of effort into it and made a big deal out of it in their press releases. Walter Rohl cited the low end torque as one of the virtues of the Carrera GT.

I'm free to dislike and hate anything I feel like. V8 engines happen to be one of those things. Why that should matter to you is beyond my comprehension. If you're interested in having a polite debate about the virtues of various engines, I welcome that. If you're simply wanting to trash my opinion, I see no point in continuing.

FYI, the new 5L V10 in the M5 and M6 is rumoured to rev to 9000rpm and produce 500bhp. And I don't see any Ford or GM cars that comes remotely close to matching these kinds of figures.

And I love cars with race winning history. That's why the two manufacturers I respect the most are BMW and Porsche.

BTW, there is an American car I respect. The GT40.

[V8slayer]

My dear friend Sanchez.

What makes you think I'm a Snob? Just curious.

Anyway, I think I've already confessed to being irrational in my hatred of V8's. I've said the V8 in the current M5 (same engine as the Z8 I believe), and the V8 in the 360 Modena are works of art. But I dislike them just the same.

With regards to Mercedes, I have very little respect for their engines. Their 5L V8 only produce 306 bhp, where as BMW's new 4.4L V8 has 333bhp. I believe that until recently, they were still stuck on 3 valves per cylinder. And they've always had to resort to bigger capacity or forced induction to match BMW's power output.

Old E55 AMG, 5.4L V8 - 354 bhp
C32 AMG 3.2L supercharged - 354 bhp
New E55 AMG 5.4L V8 supercharged - 476 bhp

compare that to BMW
Old M5, 5L V8 - 400bhp
M3, 3.2L inline 6 - 343bhp
New M5, 5L V10 - 500bhp

No contest.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by V8slayer

My dear friend Sanchez.

What makes you think I'm a Snob? Just curious.

Anyway, I think I've already confessed to being irrational in my hatred of V8's. I've said the V8 in the current M5 (same engine as the Z8 I believe), and the V8 in the 360 Modena are works of art. But I dislike them just the same.

With regards to Mercedes, I have very little respect for their engines. Their 5L V8 only produce 306 bhp, where as BMW's new 4.4L V8 has 333bhp. I believe that until recently, they were still stuck on 3 valves per cylinder. And they've always had to resort to bigger capacity or forced induction to match BMW's power output.

Old E55 AMG, 5.4L V8 - 354 bhp
C32 AMG 3.2L supercharged - 354 bhp
New E55 AMG 5.4L V8 supercharged - 476 bhp

compare that to BMW
Old M5, 5L V8 - 400bhp
M3, 3.2L inline 6 - 343bhp
New M5, 5L V10 - 500bhp

No contest.

True you do admit to irrational thinking, it just seems all the bashing was on Detroit iron. At least this time you've actually mentioned Mercedes. However Mercedes takes all of their HP ratings at a set RPM level unlike other manufacturers who take it at peak including BMW, and not that I'm taking Mercedes' side over BMW, but Mercedes is a much more reliable machine than BMW.

[Filthy Sanchez]

What do you think of the V8 offerings from Japan?

[.mauri.]

Yes but mercedes don't put the same attention on track-days attitude that BMW puts in it's car, spending much more time testing in the nurb...

mecedes is a more classy and mature people directed mark,and some mercedes can also say something when power is needed,but nothin to do with BMW,the 2nd sport mark in germany after porsche.

imho.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Originally Posted by .mauri.

Yes but mercedes don't put the same attention on track-days attitude that BMW puts in it's car, spending much more time testing in the nurb...

mecedes is a more classy and mature people directed mark,and some mercedes can also say something when power is needed,but nothin to do with BMW,the 2nd sport mark in germany after porsche.

imho.

Oh I like BMW better than Mercedes, I just think Mercedes is a well build machine worthy of respect. However given the choice I'd take the BMW equivalent every time.

[V8slayer]

what gives you the idea that Merc's are more reliable than BMW's Sanchez?

In my experience, Merc's don't break down very often but that's only because they change a lot of parts at regular services and stick you with a hefty service bill. At least my dad's had a bit of trouble with his. My friends say the same thing.

But like I said, Japanese cars are the most reliable. Everything else is not quite up to their reliability standard.

BTW, I know very little about Japanese V8's. But like I said, if it's a V8, I won't like it. I don't care who makes it.

[Inner_Section]

hey... ya all know who win the lemans this FEW years? the chevy... the old skool pushrod 2v per cylinder small block V8 chevy... ofcoz i got no doubt about the european engineer... they push the i6 3.2L to 360hp. but stop here... thats it my friend... thats all u get... i dare u won't break into the engine and DO SOME WORK... however what we have here is a everyday v8... as long as it has 4 bolt at the bottom... all that truck u see everyday outhere, all the camaro/firebird out there with proper tuning... can smoke u in no time my friend... what is that u buy from bmw? i can buy all the part from summitracing and built a 600 horse 350 chevy camaro and godamn race it EVERYDAY in scca my friend. who need a car that u can't afford to run? who need a m3 csl that u and me can't buy?... hey!!! get to know the american v8 before u say something about engine... okay? buy a carcraft mag or hotrod mag first!!! o.... by the way... im juz a 20yrs old student from hong kong,china... i drive a 81 vw rabbit...

[V8slayer]

I'm sorry, I see a Bentley, three Audis, a BMW, a McLaren, and four Porsches winning Le Mans for the last ten years. Where's this Chevy?

I have an E46 M3. I'm having new filters, new chip and a titanium exhaust installed now.

A friend who's a BMW mechanic says AC Schnitzer has an engine management and transmission management system that can rev the engine to almost 12,000rpm and modify the SMG II to match that. He'll try to get it for me when he's in Germany this June. If not, we'll make do with a Motec (spelling?).

I'm having carbon fibre bonnet, boot lid and doors installed, rear seats ripped out, 8 and 4 piston Brembo brakes front and rear, new dif put in, new adjustable suspension, 20 inch magnesium alloys. And if I'm lucky and my local Michelin buddy can swing it, the new Michelin PS2's that are made for the Carrera GT.

That'll bring the weight down below 1400kg and I don't even dare to think what sort of power I'll get. So don't give me this 360 bhp and that's it crap. The 2002 European engine of the year can handle a lot more than that.

And after all those mods, it's a car that'll handle beautifully on a track. Now like a metal block with rockets attached. I have no interest in having a drag car that can't turn a corner.

[Filthy Sanchez]

Yeah I didn't hear anything about a SBC winning Le Mans?

[Inner_Section]

http://www.7extrememotorsports.com/l...rvette-c5r.htm
dun get me wrong... im not saying the M3 is no good.. the handling... everying is perfect!!!... and i know dinan also carry products for the E46, and they are great too... im not trying to say the m3 is crap... juz... i can't stand that u people keep saying the american v8 worth nothing, juz when u get to know the chevy ford chrysler pontiac... or even Holden more... u will find theres tons of aftermarket parts for them... from small parts like piston rings.. to the big engine block... and these car... even a high skool kid can afford... like.. how about 2000 bucks 80's camaro with a USD$3200.30 440hp 350chevy vortec small block engine (from carcraft mag sept 2002 pg.66) in it? and these car.... they can turn my friend.... lets skip the vette... the mustang run the trans am in the 60's- 70's... and the 3 gen camaro... from stock car to road racing... u name it ... ha ha... drag car?... i hate it too!!! with some underbody chassis bar... which offer from alot of company or may be even full cage... they can be stiff as fxxx man.
i know money is good... but not everyone has it... motec engine managment... hey.... how about the one from magneti marelli... with full ap brake system( with the cylinder.. proportioning valves) performance friction brakes' rotor... tilton carbon clutch... ohlins 46 hrc shocks with 3 pcs bbs gt wheel M3? juz to name a few....... damn it... um... + custom LV monogram leather wrapped recaro pro racer spa carbon seat... HAHAHAHAHHA PEOPLE.... pay some respect to the v8( or i say american car) please.... thats is juz stupid to say "I have no interest in having a drag car that can't turn a corner."
have to sleep now.... have school tomorrow..... bye bye hahaha

[Inner_Section]

o.... sorry.... not in the LMP 900 class HAHAHAHA... in the GTS class... which race with the Ferrari 550 Maranello.... HAHAHAHA hey.... that engine block and head the c5r using... u can buy it right from the gmperformance parts dealer... which is your local chevy car dealer... and also the sb2 too.. which in the winston cup... isn't that great !!!!

[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by V8slayer

I'm sorry, I see a Bentley, three Audis, a BMW, a McLaren, and four Porsches winning Le Mans for the last ten years. Where's this Chevy?

I have an E46 M3. I'm having new filters, new chip and a titanium exhaust installed now.

A friend who's a BMW mechanic says AC Schnitzer has an engine management and transmission management system that can rev the engine to almost 12,000rpm and modify the SMG II to match that. He'll try to get it for me when he's in Germany this June. If not, we'll make do with a Motec (spelling?).

I'm having carbon fibre bonnet, boot lid and doors installed, rear seats ripped out, 8 and 4 piston Brembo brakes front and rear, new dif put in, new adjustable suspension, 20 inch magnesium alloys. And if I'm lucky and my local Michelin buddy can swing it, the new Michelin PS2's that are made for the Carrera GT.

That'll bring the weight down below 1400kg and I don't even dare to think what sort of power I'll get. So don't give me this 360 bhp and that's it crap. The 2002 European engine of the year can handle a lot more than that.

And after all those mods, it's a car that'll handle beautifully on a track. Now like a metal block with rockets attached. I have no interest in having a drag car that can't turn a corner.

Nice mods. My colleague is tuning his Hartge H 50 (lightened M3 with an M5 engine) to over 520bhp. But hey, Schnitzer, Hartge, it's all good

[crayzayjay]

Originally Posted by Inner_Section

http://www.7extrememotorsports.com/l...rvette-c5r.htm
dun get me wrong... im not saying the M3 is no good.. the handling... everying is perfect!!!... and i know dinan also carry products for the E46, and they are great too... im not trying to say the m3 is crap... juz... i can't stand that u people keep saying the american v8 worth nothing, juz when u get to know the chevy ford chrysler pontiac... or even Holden more... u will find theres tons of aftermarket parts for them... from small parts like piston rings.. to the big engine block... and these car... even a high skool kid can afford... like.. how about 2000 bucks 80's camaro with a USD$3200.30 440hp 350chevy vortec small block engine (from carcraft mag sept 2002 pg.66) in it? and these car.... they can turn my friend.... lets skip the vette... the mustang run the trans am in the 60's- 70's... and the 3 gen camaro... from stock car to road racing... u name it ... ha ha... drag car?... i hate it too!!! with some underbody chassis bar... which offer from alot of company or may be even full cage... they can be stiff as fxxx man.
i know money is good... but not everyone has it... motec engine managment... hey.... how about the one from magneti marelli... with full ap brake system( with the cylinder.. proportioning valves) performance friction brakes' rotor... tilton carbon clutch... ohlins 46 hrc shocks with 3 pcs bbs gt wheel M3? juz to name a few....... damn it... um... + custom LV monogram leather wrapped recaro pro racer spa carbon seat... HAHAHAHAHHA PEOPLE.... pay some respect to the v8( or i say american car) please.... thats is juz stupid to say "I have no interest in having a drag car that can't turn a corner."
have to sleep now.... have school tomorrow..... bye bye hahaha

Type properly please. Im getting a headache looking at that.