5.0 Stang Spanks a EVO

[youngvr4]

this 45 year old woman seen some neon under a car at my job and she wants some on her suv. also my 32 year old cousin thought the same thing. i guess what i'm saying is because somone likes neon under there car makes them a ricer? if its just for looks same way rims and color tints are for looks so is that. now if the guy thinks it makes him faster thats a diff story, but whats wrong with liking lights

[StupidBrodie]

nothin wrong with the lights... thats not riced out at all... ricer is the guy with all lights bodykit etc... but no performance mods (still nothing wrong yet) then revving on people at lights and thinking but more importantly hyping up (you know the loud mouths im talking about) that the car is fast

[SR20DETpower]

Originally Posted by Ace$nyper

yet again proof a worked 5.0 is and still will be king of the streets.

I would have to disagree there. Chevy power walks the 5.0 mod for mod and even more mods on the 5.0


Even the DOHC cobras get walked on mod for mod by my brothers Impala SS. they come with more power, less weight, manual transmissions, and still get walked on. Especially on the top end, thats when u start putting buslengths on them.

Don't get me wrong the 5.0 then the newer 4.6 aren't really that bad of engines when u look at some other econo engines LOL, but I think ford was always on the lower level going with the 5.0 against chevy's 305's and mainly 350's back in the 80's early 90's. Then when the LT1 and LS1 came out chevy was really making some stock small block power. While ford on the other started with the lower displacement 5.0, then i think took the wrong direction and downsized again to the 4.6.


Just think of the possibilties and how the mustang might be thought of differently by todays young car generation if they came with the 351's and shit stock back from the 80's on. Or even used a SOHC 5.4 instead of the 4.6 when they changed engines in the mid 90's.


I like import cars and engines as well as domestics, and I will honestly admit theres no replacement for displacement, and displacement is what makes power.

[1Quick91]

Originally Posted by SR20DETpower

I would have to disagree there. Chevy power walks the 5.0 mod for mod and even more mods on the 5.0


Even the DOHC cobras get walked on mod for mod by my brothers Impala SS. they come with more power, less weight, manual transmissions, and still get walked on. Especially on the top end, thats when u start putting buslengths on them.

Don't get me wrong the 5.0 then the newer 4.6 aren't really that bad of engines when u look at some other econo engines LOL, but I think ford was always on the lower level going with the 5.0 against chevy's 305's and mainly 350's back in the 80's early 90's. Then when the LT1 and LS1 came out chevy was really making some stock small block power. While ford on the other started with the lower displacement 5.0, then i think took the wrong direction and downsized again to the 4.6.


Just think of the possibilties and how the mustang might be thought of differently by todays young car generation if they came with the 351's and shit stock back from the 80's on. Or even used a SOHC 5.4 instead of the 4.6 when they changed engines in the mid 90's.


I like import cars and engines as well as domestics, and I will honestly admit theres no replacement for displacement, and displacement is what makes power.

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ford win the Muscle car wars of the 80's and 90's. Let's see Chevy Camaro no longer offered or being manufactured any longer... Ford Mustang still going strong... 2005 Mustang 4.6 300 hp 320 fp torque 2004 Mustang Cobra 390 hp 415 fp of torque... I think ford knows wxactly what it is doing... The 5.0 and 4.6 are outstanding engines and make alot of horsepower for very littel money...

Also the Camaro and Firebirds of the 80's and 90's could not compete in the horspower field with ford until 2001 camara ss with the LS1 and LS6 motor... But those cars cost well over $35000.00 dollars new and you could still get a SVO Mustang with 320 HP for around $28000.00. in 2001 and 2002.

[1Quick91]

Originally Posted by 2000LS1Z28

LOL. Momo makes steering wheels and I believe shift knobs. I own an EVO BTW. You clearly have a cocky persona that's gonna be popped with that attitude. The 4g63 engine can be made to run 10's. Am i surprised you beat him, heck no. A bored and stroked 347 w/ heads/ S/C / exh. / etc... is gonna spank most any car out there (Actually probably 99% of the cars out there). Your attitude is biased though. People like you never admit when they lose, especially to the cars that they hate the most (In your case imports).

As I stated in my other post, I do not follow the import market so I am sure I don't know the names of some of the after market parts available to import car owners. I was just trying to point out the muffler was real loud and large sounded like my leaf blower on steroids... I am not biased at all, this car owner was just incredibly ignorant, thinking the number on my windshield was my 1/4 mile time, I guess he figured he would have an easy kill to brag about, I did warn him that his car would not win... Did not listen, so we raced and I spanked him and yes it felt good to put another import racer in it's place... I tell you since Fast and the Furious hit the theaters all import owners think that thier cars are the "bomb" and can beat any american car.... Well they say ignorance is the plaque of the youth... I would have to agree

See I did not use Ricer once....

How much you figure it would take to make an EVO run 10 second quarters and still be streetable... I can tell you this I am sure my 5.0 can do it for a whole lot less dead presidents...

[flylwsi]

BS...
what would it cost to get your car into the 10s, and be streetable?

it's about 3k to get an evo into the 11's with buschur's stage 4 setup...

with a stock 91 lx 5.0, what would it cost to get the car into the 11's?

and considering i'm friends with quite a few 11 second mustangs, i know it's not cheap. at all...

another thing to consider...
buschur doesn't even go internal on their motors in stage 4.

also keep in mind that there are a considerable amount of 500+hp evo's on stock internals in the country...
and i'm willing to bet that it costs far less to get an eveo to 500hp and the associated 1/4 times than it does to do the same with a mustang 5.0.

and that's my opinion, of course...
but we're talking about someone who has alot of knowledge in both areas.

[SpaceManSpiff]

I'm not too sure about how much it would take an EVO to get there, but give me a first gen eclipse gsx and 10 grand and I could make it into 10s. Give me another 5 and it would be perfectly streetable.

But please, lets not turn this into an import vs domestic thread. Bottom line is, if it goes fast, it's good, if it doesn't, it's not. Who gives a shit where it was made?

[youngvr4]

not too familiar with american aftermarket as i am with import but i do know that turbo charged cars are very easy to upgrade and very cheap. speaking $3000 could even drop me to the 11's(3000 more)

[azn3000GTRacer]

I had him off the line no problem then I hit second and he pulled past me

That's hard to believe from an EVO. It should of been the opposite. Evo got you off the line and you pull ahead in Second. Normaly on Turbo Charged cars and AWD cars You get beat till about second.

[youngvr4]

he has a nasty stang thats built for speed so the gearing is probably diff then you would imagine, see how his 3rd gear just ate him alive

[chevydrummer76]

Originally Posted by 1Quick91

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ford win the Muscle car wars of the 80's and 90's. Let's see Chevy Camaro no longer offered or being manufactured any longer... Ford Mustang still going strong... 2005 Mustang 4.6 300 hp 320 fp torque 2004 Mustang Cobra 390 hp 415 fp of torque... I think ford knows wxactly what it is doing... The 5.0 and 4.6 are outstanding engines and make alot of horsepower for very littel money...

Also the Camaro and Firebirds of the 80's and 90's could not compete in the horspower field with ford until 2001 camara ss with the LS1 and LS6 motor... But those cars cost well over $35000.00 dollars new and you could still get a SVO Mustang with 320 HP for around $28000.00. in 2001 and 2002.

Late Model Mustang vs. Camaro
V8 Horsepower Comparison
Model Year Mustang Camaro
1979 140 170
1980 119 170
1981 120 170
1982 157 165
1983 175 160
1984 175 190
1985 210 215
1986 200 215
1987 225 225
1988 225 230
1989 225 240
1990 225 245
1991 225 245
1992 215 245
1993 205/235 275
1994 215/240 275
1995 215/240 275
1996 215/305 285/305
1997 215/305 285/305
1998 225/305 305/320
1999 260/320 305/320
2000 260 305/320
2001 260/320 310/325
2002 260 310/325
2003 260/390

These are the highest HP models available for the year
'93-03 Mustangs show GT/Cobra HP
'96-02 Camaros show Z28/SS HP

copyed this from a website as you can see the lt-1 and ls1 owned the gt mustang

[-The Stig-]

Originally Posted by 1Quick91

Correct me if I am wrong but didn't Ford win the Muscle car wars of the 80's and 90's. Let's see Chevy Camaro no longer offered or being manufactured any longer... Ford Mustang still going strong... 2005 Mustang 4.6 300 hp 320 fp torque 2004 Mustang Cobra 390 hp 415 fp of torque... I think ford knows wxactly what it is doing... The 5.0 and 4.6 are outstanding engines and make alot of horsepower for very littel money...

Also the Camaro and Firebirds of the 80's and 90's could not compete in the horspower field with ford until 2001 camara ss with the LS1 and LS6 motor... But those cars cost well over $35000.00 dollars new and you could still get a SVO Mustang with 320 HP for around $28000.00. in 2001 and 2002.

I won't even start on the debate why the F-Body is gone. GM is stupid, we know this to be true.

But I will touch on the fact that the Camaro was 90% of the time faster than the Mustang stock for stock. Please note that some Mustangs are Cobra's and some Camaro's are SS's which were the top of the line factory car.


The 80's
1985 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z28... 0-60:7.0 --1/4: 15.2
1985 Ford Mustang GT... 0-60: 7.2 -- 1/4: 15.9
1987 Chevrolet Camaro IROC-Z... 0-60: 6.6 -- 1/4: 14.9
1987 Ford Mustang GT... 0-60: 6.7 -- 1/4: 15.3

The 90's
1990 Chevrolet Camaro Z28... 0-60: 6.5 -- 1/4: 15.0
1990 Ford Mustang LX 5.0... 0-60: 6.4 -- 1/4: 14.9
1992 Chevrolet Camaro Z28... 0-60: 6.7 -- 1/4: 15.2
1992 Ford Mustang LX 5.0... 0-60: 6.2 -- 1/4: 14.8
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28... 0-60: 5.7 -- 1/4: 14.2
1994 Ford Mustang GT... 0-60: 6.7 -- 1/4: 15.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS... 0-60: 5.3 -- 1/4: 13.8
1996 Ford Mustang Cobra... 0-60: 5.5 -- 1/4: 14.0
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS... 0-60: 5.2 -- 1/4: 13.6
1998 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT... 0-60: 5.4 -- 1/4: 14.0
1999 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS... 0-60: 4.9 -- 1/4: 13.5
1999 Ford Mustang Cobra SVT... 0-60: 5.4 -- 1/4: 13.9

The 00's
2001 Chevrolet Camaro Z28... 0-60: 5.5 -- 1/4: 13.9
2001 Ford Mustang GT... 0-60: 5.4 -- 1/4: 14.0
2002 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS... 0-60:5.0 -- 1/4: 13.5
2002 Ford Mustang Cobra... 0-60: 4.8 -- 1/4: 13.5
2003 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS... MIA Thanks GM.
2003 Ford Mustang SVT Cobra... 0-60: 4.5 -- 1/4: 12.9

For the Most part... both cars have been right with each other from the get go... Chevy always had a slight advantage. But not every year, like the early 90's when Ford started to really make a decent EFI setup for the 5.0. Match that power plant to the lightweight Fox body chassis and they're rocket ships on a budget. Chevy counted on it's torquey TPI 350 to carry it's fat tubby butt faster down the 1320ft strip.

I personally like both cars, from many different years and era's of build design. Both have awesome aftermarket support. Both can be made blindingly fast. It mainly comes down to which car you like the looks of more, kinda like the LancerEVO and the Impreza WRS STi battle. They've been so close in performance through the years, you can basically pick which car you like best in the looks department and still be as fast as the next guy.

Hopefully with the return of the GTO to the USDM... we'll see a rise in GM performance minded vehicles. Such as the Camaro/Firebird.

Time can only tell... next few years should be interesting.

[Jims5543]

Hey 1Quick91 -

Great Kill, good story. Its always nice to see someone cocky get put back in their place.

I love the Evo and almost bought one. I just could not get past 2 things.

1.The car looks ricey.
2. It is worshipped by the F&F crowd.

I ended up getting a more mature A-6 Quattro.

You Mustang is a total sleeper. You did a good job modding it it sounds like its a blast.
Its too bad a good kill thread turns into a debate over what car can beat what with all these mods if they had them.

A kill is a kill the Evo rolled to the light thinking he was going to show you something and instead you got to show him your tail lights.

Are you sure is wasn't a Homo exhaust pipe and not a momo? I think they sell it as a kit with the neon underbody lights.

[1Quick91]

Originally Posted by Jims5543

Hey 1Quick91 -

Great Kill, good story. Its always nice to see someone cocky get put back in their place.

I love the Evo and almost bought one. I just could not get past 2 things.

1.The car looks ricey.
2. It is worshipped by the F&F crowd.

I ended up getting a more mature A-6 Quattro.

You Mustang is a total sleeper. You did a good job modding it it sounds like its a blast.
Its too bad a good kill thread turns into a debate over what car can beat what with all these mods if they had them.

A kill is a kill the Evo rolled to the light thinking he was going to show you something and instead you got to show him your tail lights.

Are you sure is wasn't a Homo exhaust pipe and not a momo? I think they sell it as a kit with the neon underbody lights.

Thanks for the congrats... The exhaust could have been a Homo, Like I said I am not familure with the import aftermarket. All I can say for sure was it was big, ugly and sounded like my leaf blower on steroids...

[90Stangjc]

RedNeck383, your right about the f-body being the faster car in the 93 and on range. But in the 80's and very early 90s the fastest 5.0 would outrun the fastest camaro. Quote from 5.0 Mustangs and Super Fords November 2002 article "Behind the Mustang". "The big news in 1986 was fuel injection, a true dual exhaust, and the introduction of the 8.8-inch, heavy-duty Ford rearend. The GT was a quick car--it could now run high-14's with the right driver".
Also this one.... "It was the '87 Mustang that would change everything. With a few engine upgrades (cylinder heads, throttle body, and intake manifold mainly), the car leapt to 225 horses and 300 lb-ft of torque. The GT was an instant player, able to run 14.20's without even tweaking it."