Honda Civic, Volks Gti, Integra, Prelude vs. 3000gt Vr4

[NitroguN]

Well i mean they are probably right ... the guy doesnt state that the car runs great or is in good condition. He's sellin it at 4.5k but states everything in a pretty dull manner lol ... maybe sumttin is wrong with it i'm thinkin o well u never know tho ... i want to call hehe

[ikOnone]

Originally Posted by NitroguN

1992 Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 - 141k miles for $4,500

When i showed my dad he's like : NO WAY 141K MILES THAT CAR MUST BE BEAT!
And i also showed my bro ... he said the same thing.

I think i should atleast call the seller and ask about the car maintenance and condition. Should i bother with this one ?

maybe just needs to sell it. there are plenty of vr-4's with that milage and higher that run fine (mine has 215k on it). another possibility is that he has a few bad synchros that he thinks he needs a whole new $6k (with labor) tranny for because that is what the fools at the mitsu dealership told him but you could fix it for far less than $1k.

i am saying that there are deals to be had but be careful that you are not buying a total POS. i would say that is a good deal even if the motor OR tranny is garbage (not both though) for about $4k + labor you could get either in great condition and then you would still be getting it for a very reasonable price but you would know that you do not have to worry about that aspect of the car for a long time (could probably even get a warrenty on it).

[NitroguN]

Wow ikO 215k on it? it's runnin on the original engine? turbos are fine and trans and all? that's impressive - > oh hey srry i didnt introduce myself or nething, but im new here - Hi ALL! - I Have "some" knowledge about cars but not too much, mostly my friends do and i'm learning from them. I joined this forum basically to gain more knowledge, and you guys/grlz are really great and have been a great help! I'm 18 years old, live in New Jersey. Graduated just last year from highschool lol hehe! - Hey, i called the seller up and he asked him about the tranny, motor, turbos. He said the car is fine, but it has been vandelized
- Back window Broken
- Tail Lights also Broken

But he's waiting for $ from his insurance, and when he fixes everything up he's selling it - same price 4.5k. But words are words, and i know i need proof. I'll probably be taking steps towards this vr4 in the next few weeks if i dont find any better deals ... and hey 1 question
- I have many friends, so does my bro, that work in auto shops. They mostly work on Hondas and other sorts of cars. For the Rx7 i read, not just any mechanic can work on it, since the engine is built differently, as well as other aspects of the car, which is why a specialized mechanic is needed. Now - since vr4's are kinda rare - is the the case with the VR4's also? Do i need to take it to some sort of specialized mechanics? Or will any universal mechanic know how to work on a vr4? ty

[ikOnone]

you know to tell you the truth, i am not totally sure it is the originaly engine and turbos. the tranny has been replaced but i am not sure about the rest. would a carfax tell that???

sounds like you found a good deal but it is allways good to be careful.

the rx-7 has a rotery engine which is very uncommon, that is why a special mechanic is needed. the 3000 GT has a very common engine configuration (v shaped piston engine) and on top of that, the exact engine, the 6g72 is in many many cars besides the 3000 gt, the dodge caravan and the new eclipses are two examples.

our cars are hard to work on because everything is so cramped and most people do not know where to get transmition parts but any decent mechanic should be able to work on it. and we can find you the tranny parts if you need them.

[NitroguN]

Wow thx ikO u've really been a great help - um ... earlier u said have a mechanic look at the car first. What if the car is like 1 thousand miles away lol ... how do i go about doing that? I guess what i'm affraid of is ... finally getting my car (delivered), later to find out the car is fallin apart. How would i go about getting a mechanic to look at a car that's so far away, or proof that the car IS in fact in good condition, like the seller says?

[NitroguN]

Oh yea and ... will a rebuilt engine/transmission work just as good as the original? ty!

[NitroguN]

Oh i'm srry that was Tearz who said the thing about the mechanic* anywayz how can i go about the proof part - thx!

[ikOnone]

get it checked out by a mechanic for sure BUT...
a lot of mechanics are a holes. they will say stuff is wrong (little stuff) and try to lead you on like if you do this easy $50 fix it will be fine but then they say oh well that showed that we need to do this other $50 fix... i *think* a mechanic might have done this to me long distance one time. so...

go to 3si.org, find a member with 500+ posts in the area, get them to reccomed a shop and maybe even test drive/check it out for you. that is the only way i would ever do it again short of driving/checking it out myself. lots of people are out there trying to screw others. also make sure the deal is ligit. do not give any $ until you have the title (duh). don't think that ebay or any other on line orginazation will protect your purchas, they make it sound like they will but it is b.s. from what i hear. get proof of everything.

[AcesHigh]

Good luck trying to find a VR4 for under 7k. That 400hp thing looks like bullshit. Intake and exhaust ain't gonna net you 80 horses.

The Honda comment back there is bunk. As a Prelude owner, I can say I easily trounce on SL's. Prelude VTEC's are one of Honda's best, pulling about 190-200hp stock, depending on year. I can outhandle a VR4 on a course any day, but it takes the cake on a straight line.

You look like you're on a budget. A high maintenance VR4 doesn't look like the right thing for you.

[ikOnone]

Originally Posted by AcesHigh

Good luck trying to find a VR4 for under 7k. That 400hp thing looks like bullshit. Intake and exhaust ain't gonna net you 80 horses.

The Honda comment back there is bunk. As a Prelude owner, I can say I easily trounce on SL's. Prelude VTEC's are one of Honda's best, pulling about 190-200hp stock, depending on year. I can outhandle a VR4 on a course any day, but it takes the cake on a straight line.

You look like you're on a budget. A high maintenance VR4 doesn't look like the right thing for you.

the boost controller gets you to 355 hp at 14.5 psi and the intake and exhaust together will net you about 40 hp from what i hear. that is damn close to 400.

what hinda comment was that? was it this one?

if i am not mistaken, a second gen vr-4 is faster in the 1/4 mile than any honda/acura ever produced and intended for street use... that includes the NSX.

notice that i said 1/4 mile. show me a stock prelude or NSX that can pull a 13.5. i do not think they ever did. maybe the NSX but i do not think so. also i am talking average cars times not the freaks because there have been VR-4's that have run 13.0 flat but i am not going to say that. if i was talking about a road course, i would think that it would be obvious that an NSX would completely hand a VR-4 it's ass, no contest, but that was not what i was talking about. also, i do not think that a stock prelude would "trounce" a stock SL. the SL is a little heavier but it also has 32 more horsepower. also, i am not too sure about you being able to outperform a vr-4 on a course any day if you are stock. we have the weight disadvantage but i think plenty of power (to the tune of 130 hp more) and AWD to make it up. as for 1/4, my old bpu vr-4 was faster than my friends T3T4 lude but his was damn fast.

anyway, i like the ludes a lot so i do not mean to bash them. i was considering getting one a while back. they are fun quick cars. but you were saying that my comments were "bullshit" and "bunk" so i felt that i should defed myself.

[ikOnone]

also, i wanted to say that i agree with you that vr-4's can be pricy to maintain and i am sure that ludes last forever without much work because honda is great at making reliable cars. but i also wanted to dusagree with your doubt on finding a vr-4 for under 7k. you have to look but there are a good number of them out there. i bet if you went to autotrader or something like that where there is a bunch of them for sale, you would find at least one or two for less than seven thousand. mine was only $6800 and it runs fine and looks brand new inside and out.

[crawlerVR498]

Aces High

From my limited experience in racing vtech ludes, you're a little full of your self. In the last 4 months that i've had my car i've had countless people in their vtech ludes that do not even come close to keeping up in a straight. As for a road course i would have to say that the overall hp will make up for the advantage you have because of our weight. Unless this "course" of your's has no straight-aways you really don't have a chance. 130 HP is a little hard for a lude to over come with any driver who know how to handle a vr4 remotley well. I apologize for seeming a little irritated but personally i'm sick of hondas trying to pull up next to me thinking they're going to blow me away, its annoying and none have even came close to backing up their stupid and fullish "quest."

[crawlerVR498]

as far as a road course, sorry

[NitroguN]

All of my friends are starting a car club, just about 97% of them have hondas, but it's not a - Honda Only - car club ... it just so happens that the area is overpopulated with Hondas. That's one of the main reasons why i dont like hondas too much. My cousin bought a Civic Coupe ... it got stolen - The Same Week - found it about 10miles in another town - stripped - headlights, system, taillights, rims, and he didnt even have full insurance on it yet so he had to pay for the damages himself, and i felt really bad for him because it was his first car Right now it's good and up and running though, b/c he fixed everything, and he has an alarm and plans to put in a kill switch. I mean yea other cars get stolen too, but hondas are a regular as well as camry's. That sucked for him tho lol. Um ... so yea my friends are startin a car club and they're expecting me to get a lude, since that's what i told them i was planning on getting about 3months ago. They still think i'm getting a lude *they've got no idea that i've gone mitsubishi's way, let alone the gt vr4 * Boy are they in for a surprise lol -> So my cousin and i will be the rebels of the car club lol - he's getting a 300zx
Vr4 + 300zx = Beasts! Cant wait for the summer hehe

[NitroguN]

Hey ikO how much did you buy ur vr4 214kmil. at? And what type of repairs have u done to it since u've bought it ?