THe new 2005 Ford Mustang

[daveshapellSVT]

well, i don't know about you guys, but i have noticed a growth in power and overall engineering.. For one i think modern cars are much more efficient then older ones.. sure they had sweet ass big blocks and double carbs and all that, but now we can get just as much power out of a smaller engine and it's much more reliable.. And yes i do think the newer Mustangs make more power and are better then the last.. In 99, the SVT Cobra was the fastest and strongest production mustang, until 03 when the super chargered it.. And now they come with an independent rear suspention.. I mean lets face it the 5.0 were crappy unless you put some work into them.. They aren't nearly as fast stock for stock as modern stangs.. Not saying i don't like them, i'm just pointing out the growth.. And as for the 05 stang, i see growth in everything, but the retro styling crap.. thats just my thing, doesn't mean anything really other than i don't like retro styling..

[Tony H]

Looking back at what came before, modern engines should have a lot more power than they do. For example, I get very close to 30mpg out of my 67 Mustang with a 200cid engine (I have used some technology not from the 60s but its still generally old school, the t5 swap should push it over the mark). It isn't the fastest car out there, but she pulls her own. I plan on taking her to a dyno this summer but I estimate about 150hp (one of the lightest body styles helps too). Compare that to the 3.8L, sure it (the 3.8) makes a more power (bigger displacement anyway), but the milage is the same and the car is heavier; they had years of develpment, I don't see that great of improvement.
I disagree with you on the relibility too. I have few problems with my old engines, but my 2.3L blew up. And if something does go wrong with older engines, its can usually be fixed easily by someone with a little knowledge. Modern cars are being made to require special tools, pretty soon, the shade tree mechanic will have to take his car somewhere for relatively minor things. Wait till these modern cars are over 20 years old, then its a fair comparison.
Sure it takes some work to get older engines up to modern factory levels, but if Ford really wanted to, they could have done it back then. Now don't get me wrong, I like the mordern cars too, if I had the money, I'd be 1st in line for the '05.
Most modern cars are ugly to me, whats up with the triangle thing most of them seem to have going on? What happened to curves?

[daveshapellSVT]

i agree about the triangle thing.. seems as though cars are getting boxier, or jagged... Curves are nice...

[DVS LT1]

The only thing I found cheesey about the new Stang are the somewhat exposed mufflers and for that matter the stock tailpipes. Although larger tips could simply be put on, those big & roundish mufflers look very cheap and Speedy-muflerish. If those got stuffed away under the body and only the exhaust pipes were visible from the back end it would look much better.

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by ikOnone

yea but at least from what i think, 225 hp is not nearly as good as 300 hp which is not nearly as good as 390 hp. and i could be wrong but i bet emmissions standards have only gotten stricter over time but i have not researched them (well a little bit when i did a paper on fuel cell powered cars but not much).

it is not like i am saying that they were slow cars either. hell, if i wanted to have a 1/4 mile demon, i would think that a mustang is one of the best, most prooven, cheapest ways to do it and that makes it a very impressive car. i am just saying that they did not impress me compared to other sports cars during that time STOCK either power or styleing wise. hell, my car made 300 hp during those same years with only a 3L V6. i have allways liked the older mustangs and over the last3 years or so i think ford has been making a lot of changes for the better. just my .02 though. any mustang of any year is still a sweet ride.

If you are talking about your VR4 how much did a VR4 cost vs. GT Stang of the same year... 225hp by todays standards is not very impressive but your talking about a car/engine 87 that is now 16 years old. Technology changes and improvements are made constantly. I know by today's standards a stock 5.0EFI engine isn't that impressive but use context and compare it to cars of the same year in the same price range and it fits in the landscape very well.

[phantomz28]

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=394881

according to this the 05 mustang gt's will bot be able to accept aftermarket products for a some time, not even a chip port!

[ikOnone]

Originally Posted by GTStang

If you are talking about your VR4 how much did a VR4 cost vs. GT Stang of the same year... 225hp by todays standards is not very impressive but your talking about a car/engine 87 that is now 16 years old. Technology changes and improvements are made constantly. I know by today's standards a stock 5.0EFI engine isn't that impressive but use context and compare it to cars of the same year in the same price range and it fits in the landscape very well.

a very good point, i have allways been a firm believer that the mustang was pretty much the best bang for the buck that you can get. what did i 91 5.0 cost new? something in the range of $25k i would assume. that is a damn good deal for what you get and then they are one of if not the easiest cars to modify. a 91 vr-4 cost something like $40k new. not as good of a deal if you are talking hp per doller. (i got mine for $6800 though )

but i do not think you understood my post for a few reasons. first i was comparing a 91 to a 91 so there was no age bias either way, second, i was saying that although all mustangs are a good buy and a classic car, i think the era of mustangs that i mentioned was one of the low points for the platform. hell, i could say the same thing about my 91 vr-4. there are a lot of benifits to having the second generation version of my car but they are all still cool cars i am saying the same thing about the mustangs of those years.

[thunderbird muscle]

Go new stang. I have read almost all of the informaton from Ford Motor Co. and I believe it will be one of the best productions cars ever made.

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by ikOnone

a very good point, i have allways been a firm believer that the mustang was pretty much the best bang for the buck that you can get. what did i 91 5.0 cost new? something in the range of $25k i would assume. that is a damn good deal for what you get and then they are one of if not the easiest cars to modify. a 91 vr-4 cost something like $40k new. not as good of a deal if you are talking hp per doller. (i got mine for $6800 though )

but i do not think you understood my post for a few reasons. first i was comparing a 91 to a 91 so there was no age bias either way, second, i was saying that although all mustangs are a good buy and a classic car, i think the era of mustangs that i mentioned was one of the low points for the platform. hell, i could say the same thing about my 91 vr-4. there are a lot of benifits to having the second generation version of my car but they are all still cool cars i am saying the same thing about the mustangs of those years.

A 91 5.0 wasn't 25K new man, more in the range of avg18G's for a GT. I know ya not bashing on Stangs but maybe picking on the 87-93 years a little. I admit by 93 it was getting a lil long in the tooth. But a low point for the platform is ridiculious... The 87-93 Mustang is the high point of the Mustang platform rivaling when the Mustang was first made. 87&88 Ford could not make enough Stangs to keep up with demand the last time that happened was 65!

These are the cars that caused "The 5.0 Revolution" which spurred an performance part market that can't be rivalved. And all the money and time invested in 4.6 aftermarket parts and sales are thanks to those cars. How many times has some had a 4.6 Mustang and some1 has said look a 5.0 or even owned a 4.6 and didn't realize they really have a 4.6 and thought it was a 5.0. In the Late 80's having a 5.0 was the hot thing!!! I'm not saying there were not better or faster cars made then. But the 5.0 Mustang has created a mystique for itself that owning a shiny nice 5.0 will get you as many looks as owning a new 2004 GT. This from a car that can be up to 13 years old and not rare at all!!! The 87-93 5.0 motto should be this "Loved or Hated but never Ignored!"

[DinanM3_S2]

Originally Posted by phantomz28

http://forums.stangnet.com/showthread.php?t=394881

according to this the 05 mustang gt's will bot be able to accept aftermarket products for a some time, not even a chip port!

isnt a real e-mail, im pretty sure they plan on making it plenty tunable. The C&D article had a sidebox that talked about how they want to make a version capable of competing with the M3, im pretty sure they'll need some modability.

Otherwise i love this car, thinking about getting one

[phantomz28]

yeah i do think this e-mial is bs just thought i would bring it up ^.^