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#16
04-16-2003, 07:48 PM
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this guys' too thick-headed to listen. for the last time...5/6 gears doesn't matter, therefore shouldn't be the deciding factor on which tranny u get. IT ALL COMES DOWN TO THE GEAR RATIO. if u say that it has nothing to do w/ that, then u don't understand the way a transmission works at all, an u don't understand the reasons to upgrade one...wut a waste of a custom tranny...
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#17
04-16-2003, 08:49 PM
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I understand transmission very well. understand ratios very well. That was not the question. You can keep answering this question with the same points and notghing will change. As I said, I will be making my custom tranny while ingmoring everything you both have said. Have a nice day. :smoka:
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#18
04-16-2003, 09:30 PM
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#19
04-18-2003, 02:48 PM
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hmm..
point has everything to do with the ratios of the gears, hence the custom transmission with gears you specify. why do you think that trannies are made custom to order? b/c a customer wants specific gear ratios. what's not getting to you? short shifters? what does that have to do with anything? having 5/6 gears has nothing to do with the number of gears, it has to do with the ratios. get it through your head.
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#20
04-18-2003, 03:21 PM
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#21
04-19-2003, 08:38 AM
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my curiousity gets the better of me...
what did the person that you talked to tell you? since he didn't say anything about ratios, but you're getting a custom trans, what did he tell you exactly?
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#22
10-18-2005, 03:23 PM
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Kids, kids, kids, why all the bickering? I'm sure you've both run your ludes up to redline, and have you noticed that when you shift at redline the next gear picks up at about 5400 rpm (where the vtec kicks in)? This is no accident. The gear ratios were selected to keep the engine in the vtec part of the powerband, where you get the most power. Closer gear ratios (more gears) would mean that if you shift at redline, the next gear would be at higher rpm (say maybe 6000). The main advantage of more gears is that it's easier for your engine to spool up when driving your wheels through a lower gear ratio. 3rd gear in a 6spd is going to accelerate faster than 3rd gear in a 5spd (both full throttle), but at the expense of top speed for that gear (redline limited). Think of how much more quickly your revs run up in 1st or 2nd versus 3rd, 4th, or 5th. So, lower gear ratios equals faster acceleration, but lower top speed and greater fuel consumption. Usually the 6th gear is higher than most 5spds, though, which gives better mileage, but most cars don't have the power to redline 6th, so top speed is usually acheived in 5th. And for 1/4 mi runs, shifting is everything. More shifts definitely add time, and it's certainly more than "a couple hundredths" unless you're driving a Ferrari with the F1 servo controlled manual.
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#24
10-19-2005, 10:30 PM
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Re: 5 or 6 speed Tranny
Would a mod lock this?
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#25
10-20-2005, 12:26 AM
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To sum up : if you suck at shifting, its better to shift less.
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#26
10-20-2005, 01:03 AM
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Re: 5 or 6 speed Tranny
I am only posting this cuz I think it would be fun to hear the responses. The 5speed vs. 6speed question is really not a good question because it doesn't take into factor the rpm limits of the engine and the powerband of the engine in question. If the engine makes morepower at lower RPMs then the 5er will outpull the 6er cuz the 6er will run out of the powerband as it spins up. If the powerband is at a higher RPm the 6er will be able to stay within the powerband easier since each shift will not drop the engine RPMs as low as the 5er shifts will. A 5-speed tranny on an identical engine as a 6-speed tranny will be a little slower if the shift times are identical and the power band is smaller due to the fact that the 5 speed shifts will drop the engine out of the power band upon shifting unless the power band is at the lower end of the RPM's. Once the 6er gets into the top of the power band and shifts it has a higher likelihood of remaining in the powerband since the gearing of the 5er drops the motor to a lower RPM UNLESS the 5er driver understands how to feather a clutch and can keep the RPMs up in the powerband (but that is driver technique and not engine/transmission dependent which is the nature of this old-a$$ thread, right?).
(I M SCH A DMSS...HHHH)
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#27
10-20-2005, 01:26 PM
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actually, the "powerband" is not that all-important..... it is just where the engine makes its peak power. Even if you don't shift, and the the engine revs past its peak power, it will still accelerate faster (til redline) in a lower (numerically higher) gear due to the higher ratio and thus easier load on the engine. Pretty much across the board, you will be faster redlining every gear, unless you're driving a deisel with gobs of torque at 1300 rpm and nothing past 3000.
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#29
10-20-2005, 02:58 PM
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Re: Re: 5 or 6 speed Tranny
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This thread must be for dumb ass people only just like you huh. Anyway, I think 6 speed is the best. my ride is 6 speed and I like it.
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#30
10-20-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Re: Re: 5 or 6 speed Tranny
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