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#16
10-25-2001, 05:10 AM
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<<<This is long but I don’t care, I’m not forcing you to read it.>>>
<<<Lots of people are wailing on the G20 and I am defending it for what it is.>>> I don't understand why people try to compare two cars. I think your car is a personal choice based on what you can afford and what you want it to do. Some people want a new car that is fuel efficient and small. Personally I want performance, a good suspension, leather, and nice sound system. Since these views are way different what are we to judge on? Well in America usually it is the 0-60 time. Why? Who cares how fast you can get to the speed limit. Once you get there you are like everybody else. Unless the time is way slow it doesn’t matter. Top speed? Once again unless you are racing across the Nevada Salt flats it doesn’t matter. There is always traffic or curves in the road you have to slow down for. So we should base it on suspension and ability to corner. Well no. If you can corner but not speed up than that is no good either. But this is all performance stuff. What about the interior? Did you completely gut your civic except one Recaro and those fancy diamond plate floor mats? Or are you rolling in a car that has the finest leather and hand carved wood? I think that neither is wrong and it is totally personal choice. If there is to be a car competition there should be a balance among these things and also based on price. The Fast and Furious dumbest part of the movie goes to... Ferrari and Supra Race. I don’t care if the Supra wins or not I would take the Ferrari over a Supra any day. Performance is not everything. G20 or the A4. Who chose to put the G20 against the A4 and not the S4? Stock S4 vs. Stock G20… I would say the S4 Stock A4 vs. Stock G20…I would say the G20 Modified A4 vs. Modified G20…I would still say G20 Modified S4 vs. Modified G20…I would say S4 We could go on forever and ever with every car ever built and some that weren’t and it would be pointless. The A4 is a fine car but if I got and Audi it would be the S4. If I were to get and Infiniti I would get the G20. And Infiniti is way down on the list of brands I would buy but the first to have what I want at a price I can afford. I am a Volvo guy. Volvo is at the top of the list. For the last 3 years, I owned a Volvo, have all the catalogs for performance parts, bookmarks for everything Volvo on the net, and learned practically everything there is to know about them including trying to learn Swedish. If I had $40K I would either be first in line to order the S60R if it ever comes out or spend it all on customizing an older Volvo. But I don’t so I will do neither. I am a member of clubs and online forums and I still have not left them. I modified my Volvo and came up with things that no one had done before. One of the biggest things was I made an indiglo emblem for the front. I don't know anyone else in the world that did that. If you do email me at [email protected] My car was called Turbobrick because the Volvo is known as the Swedish brick and mine had a turbo. I didn't come up with the name, it actually is a club for Volvos and I use the name in general for all turbo Volvos. People would see my car around town and later they would say ''hey we saw the brick the other day'' as if it was a Ferrari or something. Some people from school would be all laughing at me for having stickers and seat belt pads not knowing my Volvo had some power. Because they laughed at me I thought my car was okay but not great. I grew up in a rich neighborhood and so my $6K car was one of the cheapest cars at school. But this guy who was popular and I sort of knew but wasn’t close friends because I didn’t hang out with that crowd, told me I had the coolest Volvo in the entire town. I was surprised since there are $45K Volvos running around and my Volvo was cooler then them. Although I thought I would never get rid of it I decided to before it broke down again. I wanted to get a new more reliable car that was smaller since I would be moving to the city in the fall. Obviously my only choice for small Volvo was the S40 and it didn’t have stick so I had to look for something else. While as was out looking for a new car for my dad I stopped at a dealer and they immediately asked if I came to see the 850R they got. After test driving this old crappy Corvette my dad thought he wanted I came back to see about 8 or 9 salesman peeking in the windows of my car. They all had seen it many times but never up close. They all thought it was a cool car and wanted to find a car for me so I could trade it in and they could have it. Before Volvo I was into Acuras. My family has had a couple Integras and I thought that was what I wanted. But the one I wanted was too much so I started looking for something similar. I drove a bunch of cars that I thought I would like but didn’t feel comfortable in. I looked into the G20 and when I found out that it was the same as the Primera that ran in the BTCC I started looking into it more. I didn't choose the G20 because I wanted to show of the Infiniti emblem like some people try to show off. I fact I am removing it and putting a Nissan emblem on it. I came up with a list of modifications and tried to picture it in my head. All I had to do was drive it. When I drove it I knew it was the car for me. The one I got doesn’t have leather, a good stereo, or a powerful engine. It was perfect though and I am happy with what I got. I want to do body kit, JDM everything, leather, system, and performance stuff like CAI and exhaust. After I do a few things I hope people will feel the same way about my new car as they did about my old car. I will know it when I here people that I don’t even know say "Oh look there goes that cool Primera’’ Long story short…You don’t have to have the most expensive or fastest car to be happy.
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Colin Gillespie - 1993.5 Nissan Primera - NWG20s 
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10-25-2001, 05:40 AM
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G20 Engine Modification
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Now I'm not being sarcastic, but where is the SR engine aftermarket? With out doing a engine swap what can I do to my G20? From driving different cars that are weighing differnent amounts I feel that I would be happy with about 230-250HP for my car that weighs 2900 How would I start modifying? Also what is the differences between the pre 93 and 93.5 and after engine?
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Colin Gillespie - 1993.5 Nissan Primera - NWG20s
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10-25-2001, 07:40 AM
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George Roffe Houston, Texas USA 00 328i 91 SE-R (well modded) 84 944 SCCA ITS race car under construction "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a great resolve" -- Admiral Yamamoto, December 7, 1941
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#19
10-25-2001, 08:06 AM
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As I mentioned there are two turbo kits and an engine swap that even the brain dead can do. There are several companies producing cams for the SR20, however the two real considerations are JWT and JUN (and possibly Piper, but I'm not familiar with test results for them). JWT offers cams that will net you around 16 hp with only the cam change. They offer cams that will net you close to 30 hp with a valve spring and retainer change (required due to the valvetrain harmonics and the more aggressive cam profile). There's several headers available, but most people choose the Hotshot because it makes the most power and is high quality. There are all sorts of goodies available to build a killer engine (see my website, specifically the Beast articles for some info on that). In sort, there is an excellent aftermarket for the SR20. There just are not as many companies offering parts, but the ones out there are generally not crap, unlike the situation with many cars. Quote:
If you are interest in these or other performance upgrades for the SR20, I or others here can send you to the right places - places with good folks who won't rip you off. Quote:
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George Roffe Houston, Texas USA 00 328i 91 SE-R (well modded) 84 944 SCCA ITS race car under construction "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a great resolve" -- Admiral Yamamoto, December 7, 1941
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10-25-2001, 08:07 AM
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Geo, sorry. I did not mean to affend you personally. I didnt even take notice as to who started the 0-60 thing.
I was just trying to make a point that 0-60 times are not what its all about. And should not be the "default" measure of superiority. Its like judging a book by its cover, or a man by his shoe size!  In my opinion (take it or leave it (as I tried to point out earlier)) what "makes" a car is the quality, design, materials, performance, aftermarket support ALL put together, not one. I saw a bunch of people jumping on the speed comparison. A bunch of people who months ago where saying that speed wasnt all that when someone came here and posted how an M3 is a better car. Why all of a sudden a switch in opinion? I still think the A4 is superior in many ways. I am happy with my G20, I dont regret buying it. I am purchasing a new car in a year or less. An A4 is on my list of options. 
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10-25-2001, 08:13 AM
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Well I might as well join in this war and add a European's view...
The Audi A4 is considered an executive or possibly entry level luxury car over here. The Primera is considered a family saloon and a rep-mobile. Audi is up there with BMW and Mercades, whereas the Primera is viewed in the same way as Ford, Vauxhall (GM), Citroen and Peugeot. The Audi A4 range is fairly varied - there are fairly low spec entry level cars (1.6 and 1.8), luxury models (usually 2.0, 1.8T or TDi), and sport models (quattro'd 1.8T, V6, and TDi V6). Most of the "sporty" Audi A4's would give my Primera a good spanking in a straight line, and having never driven one, I can't say how it would fair on a track. I should think that the Primera and a FWD Audi A4 would be a close call, but a Quattro would blow it away. The Primera and Audi A4 are in two totally diffferent "classes" over here though, and thus, two totally different price ranges. The Audi A4 is around 40% more expensive than a Primera. In the UK, I'd say that the Audi has far better aftermarket support - support for the Primera is absolutely terrible over here. In particular, there is alot of support for the 1.8T engine. There was someone that was saying about the Primera's dominance in BTCC - if you remember, when Audi entered their A4 quattro, it beat everything and it was deemed an unfair advantage.
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10-25-2001, 08:21 AM
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10-25-2001, 08:28 AM
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George Roffe Houston, Texas USA 00 328i 91 SE-R (well modded) 84 944 SCCA ITS race car under construction "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and filled him with a great resolve" -- Admiral Yamamoto, December 7, 1941
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10-25-2001, 08:35 AM
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Thank you guys for toning it down, you could hear the yelling in the other forums. Keep up the debate since that is what should be happening. And just for the record, Audi!!
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10-25-2001, 10:00 AM
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BUT, my opinion has always been about straight line performance and just recently within the last 3-4 years about overall driving performance (road course, cornering, g's, 0-60, 1/4 mile, slalom, etc). So, just for the records, I did not change my position/opinion in regards to speed at all. I just have a larger perspective to what overall performance is and not just straight line performance. Quote:
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Hell, I wished they brought it over here as a Primera back then. Would have been a hell of a lot cheaper when new. But they needed to add a entry level car into the Infiniti lineup for the American consumer since they only had a Q45 and M30 in 1990. It just happened to be the Primera rebadged. Oh well.
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10-25-2001, 12:57 PM
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duuuuude...how can anyone say that there's no aftermarket support for the SR???? c'mon, it's probably the most popular engine to modify, even more so than the B-series Honduhs. I am not just talking about the US market cuz we are flooded with Honduhs....take a look around of all the japanese tuners and almost everyone has something for the SR.
BTW boogie..i like the current A4 as well...but have you seen the new one that's gonna be out? i dotnknow if i like that one, although the back looks aight.
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10-25-2001, 01:15 PM
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Personally, I don't give a hoot about performance and power. My main concern is reliability and ownership costs. OK, so the G20 is "slower" than the A4/S4. With all the aftermarket addons out there, that can be fixed. I'm willing to bet that a G20 can handle better that a A4/S4.
And a G20 is just a fancy Sentra? Isn't that exactly what the Audi is to the Volkswagen? Now comes the good part: which is more reliable and cheaper to own? If perfomance alone is an issue, then you can opt for those German marques which can be pretty pricey. But if you want performance and practicality, a G20 with mods really is a better bargain. Your car can't perform if you can't keep it out the shop. Let's not get into a heated debate over which is better. It's all a matter of taste(and money). 
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10-25-2001, 01:35 PM
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And there are difference between the Sentras G20's (different platform all together) and Audi and Volkswagon are also quite a bit different as well. While drivetrains may be the shared... IMO it's in many cases the little stuff that adds up to make or break the car. If our cars had crappy interiors that fell apart, or seats that would tear, wear out, whatever, the car wouldn't be the deal it is, or if it had poor looking interior parts that didn't line up, or just looked cheap it'd also ruin the car. Same for the audi VW stuff. Personally I think the newer VW's are very nice, my mom has a relatively new Jetta, and it's really nice, while the audi may be nicer, i wouldn't take anything away from Vw at the same time. I'm sure a pretty fair comparison could be made between the interior of a Jetta or Passat and the G20. Ok, that's probably enough from me on this thread. I'll leave you guys with some words I'll never forget when i hear about an Audi... Any contest of speed... hahahah
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Justin McClanahan 95 G20 15.4 @ 91.4mph (2.4 60ft  )143.7whp and 131.4 ft.lbs Primera (10:1) Intake Cam, HS CAI, HS Header, UR Pullies, 19* Timing, ACT, Lightened Stock Flywheel, GC/AGX, Pacesetter Short Shifter, and more stuff...
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#29
10-25-2001, 02:34 PM
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I'd hardly say the SR is the most tuned engine and has a huge aftermarket. It is large, but I wouldnt say huge. Also most companies that offer SR parts manufacture them mainly for Silvias and SE-R's.
I guess the problem is: there is little aftermarket for the G20. I bought my 2000 G20 in 99... Until January of 2001 there wasnt even an intake out for it. There still is no cams. No ECU. No "plug and play" turbo kit. Still issues with headers. Only one cat-back offering (6/01 debut). Maybe its just the G20 market that is small. If you look at other cars, these types of things are available a lot sooner. And not just from one manufacturer. Anyhow I'll drop this whole performance thing, but just as Justin said: you may say you can modify your G20 to surpass an A4 per say, but dont forget that you can also modify that A4 also. A simple ECU upgrade ($650) will add 45 wheel HP to a 1.8T, adding 45 wheel (ahem real) HP to an SR20DE is much more expensive. Cams, header, cat back, CAI, underdrive pullies will probably give you an added 30 whp (if they have all these parts available for your model year) and will cost you close to $2000. Want turbo? shell out even more money ($3000+) and even then you will still only be at 200 whp. The 1.8T is 170 HP (150 whp) stock and after the ECU upgrade you are at 195 whp (cost $650) To own a 195 whp G20 you need about $4000 in upgrades. Just by upgrading the 1.8T from its stock K03 to a K04 combined with that ECU upgrade and you are now at 240 whp for far less money than you spent turbo'ing the SR. I know some people dont want to hear me. But I do have lots of "VW/Audi" enthusiasts as friends, so I do know a thing (or MANY ) about their cars.I like cars in general, not just the one I own, so I try to stay pretty open minded. Anyhow....... I think I'm done rambling. Luke, yes I like the new A4. It looks pretty hot with the Oettinger kit. www.oettinger.com if anyone is interested. Its the 2002 Audi A4 chassis model '8E'
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10-25-2001, 02:56 PM
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I had the chance to buy a Audi A4 when I was looking to get a new car. I didn't like the interior for starters. Secondly, in Canada the price difference ends up being WAY more than the difference in the US (after currency exchange that is). That was even for the front wheel drive model. VW's prices in Canada are stupid here. A new loaded G20 is priced a couple grand above a loaded Golf VR6.
 The A4 might be a better car and can be tuned for less but don't forget the initial price difference. It's over $8K in Canada...that's a lot of SR20 boost baby! Anyway I love my G, if Joe Blow next door doesn't, it's not my problem because I have a smile on my face EVERY time I get in my G. I don't ever intend to sell my G. It will be paid off by the end of the year. It might not be as powerful as an A4 but ironically enough I bought it for the engine. :silly2:I'd say in Canada here at least the G20 and A4 aren't even in the same league, even though they are both considered 'entry level luxury' sedans. Now wait till the G35 comes out, more compareable price wise, and see who the winner of that catagory will be. 
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