Questioning Rumors about the GTR?

[flylwsi]

please kind sir, who am i flaming by explaining that just b/c tommy kaira has money doesn't mean they will crash test and legalize the zz2 for US sales?

my point is that just b/c a company has money to do it, they won't necessarily do it.

there's alot of cars that are out there that aren't US legal, from companies that can afford to get them legalized.

the profit isn't worth the cost of testing, which is why they don't.

which is why the zz2 wouldn't come here legally... just like the skyline

[RazorGTR]

Originally posted by Evomaniac

I though flaming was not allowed,oh well.
-Dave
not that you're flaming anybody there are a few other's might I add.

I've see no flaming. What I have seen is someone who is protending to be a moderator and who in fact is nothing. Myself and a few others are growing more tired of your antics. It may be best to move on. As into a different forums all together.

You are again pulling another thread off topic.

End of discussion in this thread other than the topic!

[skylinegtr34]

Quote:
“Tommy Kaira has money doesn't mean they will crash test and legalize the zz2 for US sales?”

I gave a quote direct from Tommy Kaira’s page stating that they are looking into marketing the car in the U.S. market. It’s not as if I pulled that out of my ass.

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“There are many uninformed people as well, who know nothing about Tommy Kaira. Who will they trust and buy a car from? An established company like Nissan or some small ‘upstart’ company fresh out of Japan”

The car will be marketed like a Lamborghini, or Ferrari. I don’t believe they intend to mass produce it like a GTR, or a Vett.

The car is intended for the true car enthusiast looking for a “Super car” not a sports GT. I bet when Mc Laren, and, Koenigsegg decided to bring car out people said I would rather have a Porsche even though I know the other cars are better because I trust the name.

Three seat gimmick? You really don’t know a lot about super cars do you?

The whole point of the argument was to state why the car will not cost 90k.

[Jimster]

Just one question................



Isn't Tommy Kaira bankrupt????

[tazdev]

Originally posted by Jimster
Just one question................



Isn't Tommy Kaira bankrupt????

Hope not. They made some nice cars. and car parts

[VQuick]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
The car will be marketed like a Lamborghini, or Ferrari. I don’t believe they intend to mass produce it like a GTR, or a Vett.

The car is intended for the true car enthusiast looking for a “Super car” not a sports GT. I bet when Mc Laren, and, Koenigsegg decided to bring car out people said I would rather have a Porsche even though I know the other cars are better because I trust the name.

Three seat gimmick? You really don’t know a lot about super cars do you?

The whole point of the argument was to state why the car will not cost 90k.

Tommy Kaira couldn't possibly market their cars like Lamborghini and Ferrari do. Do you know why? They hardly do any marketing at all. People come to them, because they have decades of racing experience, and they are well-known around the world. Tommy Kaira can't even come close to touching that.

People knew the McLaren name before the supercar was produced. Ever hear of the McLaren formula one team? On top of that, the Macca had an engine specially developed by BMW, another popular name in F1. If that doesn't get you brand recognition and trust, I don't know what will.
Koenigsegg had a different approach, because they really were an unknown. They released information early, and made performance claims...some say the claims were boastful and unfounded, but Koenigsegg's data does support their predicted performance figures, and now the cars are selling.

The last time I checked, most supercars only had two seats. The only reason for the Macca's central driving position was to preserve the F1 car's configuration. I dunno why Tommy Kaira's doing it.

[skylinegtr34]

How any seats do you all think the McLaren F1 has? The McLaren has 3
"Driver sits in the middle and room for two passengers on either side" (Jeremy Clarkson - Top Gear)

“The Middle is the optimal driving position" (Gordon Murray)

I’m sorry to tell you if the ZZ2 holds up to its prototype design it will be better than any Lamborghini, or Porsche.

The car weighs about as much as the McLaren F1 has about 500 hp and will cost 90k.

[skylinegtr34]

ZZ2

[skylinegtr34]

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[skylinegtr34]

Look I was wrong, but look where the drivers seat is left hand drive.

[skylinegtr34]

RB26 heart of the GTR

[skylinegtr34]

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GTR rear lights

[VQuick]

Originally posted by skylinegtr34
How any seats do you all think the McLaren F1 has? The McLaren has 3
"Driver sits in the middle and room for two passengers on either side" (Jeremy Clarkson - Top Gear)

“The Middle is the optimal driving position" (Gordon Murray)

I’m sorry to tell you if the ZZ2 holds up to its prototype design it will be better than any Lamborghini, or Porsche.

The car weighs about as much as the McLaren F1 has about 500 hp and will cost 90k.

Yeah, a middle position for the ZZ2 would be all well and good for performance, but that doesn't mean the car will sell. Most people still want something relatively convenient. Of course, now you realize that the ZZ2 doesn't even have central seating. Now your whole argument is moot.

Even if the ZZ2 lives up to what it was designed for, that doesn't mean it will sell. Again, Lambo, Porsche, and Ferrari have a known and trusted brand worldwide, including the US. Again, Tommy Kaira has nothing.

If you knew anything about marketing, you'd realize that it takes a lot of time to get customers accustomed to a new product, even if you're an established brand. Tommy Kaira isn't established at all, and thus, has three strikes against them.

• The US is a new and unfamiliar geographical market for TK. WHere would TK even sell the ZZ2? It takes a lot of money to set up a dealer network, you know.
• TK is relatively unknown, and people usually do not buy from a brand that they do not know or trust.
• If the the ZZ2 is supposed to sell for $90k, people would have many other ideas of how to spend that much money.

Just because a car is a better performer does not mean that it is successful. Barely 50 of the R34 Skyline GT-Rs were sold in the UK per year. Compare that to the Porsche 911 Carrera, which sold nearly 100 times more. They're fairly equal in performance, but people go with the familiar brand. On top of that, they didn't feel like spending 50k Pounds for a Nissan.
Another example is the Lotus Esprit V8 and the Ferrari F355. The Lotus outmatched the Ferrari in most performance categories, and did it with less power, a 20-year old chassis, and for half the money. Lotus barely sells 100 Esprits per year worldwide.

[flylwsi]

I gave a quote direct from Tommy Kaira’s page stating that they are looking into marketing the car in the U.S. market. It’s not as if I pulled that out of my ass.

regardless of whether you pulled it from you ass, doesn't mean that the car will actually come here.

if you wanted to get global attention, wouldn't you say that?

and come on, who doesn't want to bring a car here...

they're looking into it, that doesn't mean it will come to fruition, right?

i'm looking into building my own cars as an exotic car builder, will it ever happen?

not for me.

so do you see what i'm saying?