raced a honduh couple nights ago

[Jay!]

Originally posted by Polygon
You have point, but I would rather get an Acura than a Honda. Acura seems to pump out stronger cars than Honda.

Acura = Honda.

Originally posted by flylwsi
and why is the fastest fwd car in the world a honda? hmm...

Originally posted by Polygon
I would have to point out that Honda would not be the fastest FWD car in the world.

Fastest as in what? 1/4 mile, 0-60, top speed, etc...? You two could be talking about completely different things and both be right, and no one would know, since no one posted facts.

[Polygon]

Originally posted by jay@af
Acura = Honda.

Fastest as in what? 1/4 mile, 0-60, top speed, etc...? You two could be talking about completely different things and both be right, and no one would know, since no one posted facts.

I know, you are the second person to call me on the entire Acura/Honda thing. I know they are the same company, but they both have different cars. eg. the Acura RSX, and NSX. I don't know any other way to state that, but I know they are the same company.

You do have a point there. Who know what the fastest FWD car in the workd in in anything, but I doubt it is a Honda. Just my opinion though.

[JustinP10]

there is a lot to that saying, fastest FWD. what kind? A hybird, stock motor, all motor, turboed, tube framed, etc...
If you havn't lost to a Honda, you havn't raced enough. There are some VERY fast Honda's out there. Try racing a NSX, they are quick. Hell, a hybrid hatchback w/ some type of power adder (turbo or NOS) should also be fast enough to break off most any street car.

[Jay!]

Originally posted by Polygon
I know, you are the second person to call me on the entire Acura/Honda thing. I know they are the same company, but they both have different cars. eg. the Acura RSX, and NSX. I don't know any other way to state that, but I know they are the same company.

Didn't mean to come off rude or anything. FYI, "Acura" only exists in North America. If you go to Japan you can have a Honda NSX or a Honda Integra (The "RSX" name is N.A. only, too).

[Polygon]

Originally posted by jay@af
Didn't mean to come off rude or anything. FYI, "Acura" only exists in North America. If you go to Japan you can have a Honda NSX or a Honda Integra (The "RSX" name is N.A. only, too).

You didn't, I wasn't mad. Hehe. That is what I have been told. But I'm just an ignorant American, So I have to segragate it.

Originally posted by JustinP10
there is a lot to that saying, fastest FWD. what kind? A hybird, stock motor, all motor, turboed, tube framed, etc...
If you havn't lost to a Honda, you havn't raced enough. There are some VERY fast Honda's out there. Try racing a NSX, they are quick. Hell, a hybrid hatchback w/ some type of power adder (turbo or NOS) should also be fast enough to break off most any street car.

There is no such thing as a Honda NSX over here, but yes a NSX would toast some of my cars. Just read what I typed above. I have raced a lot of Hondas, and there are ones that would beat certain cars I drive. But that does not change the fact that I havn't lost to one.

[kris]

So, Polygon, do you drive a Chrysler, or a Dodge?

[Polygon]

I drive some Chrylsers, Dodges, and Plymouths. I have some other cars as well that I am working on that arent Mopars. But for the most part I drive around my 89' Chrysler LeBaron GTC Turbo.

[Jay!]

Originally posted by Polygon
There is no such thing as a Honda NSX over here...

Heh. There will be when I can afford one... The "A" logo will be the first thing to go... :right:

[Brian P]

i think you all grossly misinterpreted what i had to say before. when i say all hondas are crap, i didnt mean none of them can do anything good. i mean what they stand for... economy WAY before performance. its just not my bag. those are the cars i'm refering to - civics, really, and the like. had i known there were so many honda lovers on this board, i would have chose my words a little better. clearly i misspoke. thats no reason to flame me one after another.

As it happens Honda is a world leader in terms of Economy

they sure are. the problem is that stupid teenagers (and sometimes very stupid men) see "world leader" and stop right there. or assume that to lead in "economy" must mean they have performance down cold, as well. those are the problem people.

Did you ever think the guy wasn't interested in racing you at all

i can say with the utmost certainty that this person was DEFINATELY trying to race me... him saying "oh crap i give up" (after about 4 miles, no less) obviously was due to him finally realizing that my car was better than his - SOMETHING HE DIDNT SEEM TO GET WHEN HE STARTED THE RACE.

Iv had a very similar situatoin to the one you described above occur with a 1.8l Primera trying to pass me, he never had a chance, but did that stop him trying?

then that person is as dumb as the guy in the civic i saw. no question.

Its people like you who give auto enthusiasts a bad name

- kbslacker

i'm not sure why that applies to me - i've actually taken the time to study and understand cars. you say you'd race me in your civic. you must have done quite a bit of work to it. something Honda never intended to be done in the first place. <-- which is my point, EXACTLY.

obviously - the TRUE sports cars that honda makes, the S2000, the new RSX, and the NSX, dont apply here.

BTW, for the price you paid for your car, it better handle better than any stock econo car...

i sure agree. one can only wonder why the guy in the civic doesnt think like that.

but no - the original point of the post was to express my view on how badly the *average* honda driver (which are mostly driving civics) has a false impression on the abilities of his car. i did what i did to teach him a lesson. it was very late at night with little other motorists on the road. better now then when the potential for disaster is much greater.

and although i compared the G20s suspension with that of the 300ZX and Skyline, i was never saying that i have the greatest car in the world. no, i know there are some cars better than it, and some cars worse than it, and that the civic i raced was most definately WORSE.

you all blew this totally out of proportion

[Moppie]

Ok Brian P, Honda also makes some of the world most powerful engines.
They were the first to make a production car with 100hp per litre, (before BMW did) and continue to be world leaders in terms of specific HP production.

Im america Honda decided that the market wasnt looking for fast hot hatchs, so most of the models sold there were aimed more at economy rather than performance, of course the Si Civic/CRX models were performance orientated, and for a small 4cyl car are actualy quite quick.
You also have to remember that your car is bit newer, and has a larger engine.
Nissan also makes economy only cars, for example the 1.4l Pulsar, or a 1.8l Primera, This dosnt mean as a rule Nissan is crap, it just means there were building a car to target a Market they saw a demand in. Honda did exactly the same thing, its called good bussiness practice, and donst reflect on a manufactors enginering skills.
I know of many non Turbo Slyvias, and 1.6l Pulsars that are all lowed and riced out, not to mention the 2l N/A skylines with GTR body kits and large wheels. Just because a lot of Nissan owners think that because it says Skyline on the back its a fast car, all Skyline owners are stupid, and that all skylines are slow.

Look around a little bit, Honda makes some of the most economical cars in the world, and it also makes some the most performance orintated cars in the world. They also make some of the most economical performance cars in the world.

To judge a whole make of car, of a few visable idiots is nothing short of bigitry.

[GTS-4 Ben]

My friend has a 91 Pulsar. SR18DE. He is installing a SR20DET from a U14 Bluebird.
It was damn quick even with the 1800. 14.9 @ 93mph

It will kick some ass with the SR20DET.

I have seen some 4WD Primera's with the same engine.

As for the skyline thing. There are also 2L skylines putting out 600+ HP.. so they can be as good as a GTR..
But I hate it when people put GTR kits on GTS-T's..

[GTS-4 Ben]

I think there is a great (HONDA IS KING) attitude by alot of young guys..

They think their 87 Civic can somehow by a twist of fate actually out handle a GTR.

Or guys with Type R's thinking that since they have a race spec car.. they can now out accelerate a turbo 2L or better..

Honda's go good.. but I say Nissan are the best performance engine. They are like LEGO. You can chop an change them.

[Moppie]

Absolutly GTS-4 Ben,
It goes both ways, there are some very fast but very ordinary skylines out there, and some very slow non-turbo but all body kitted up skylines out there, same with Pulsars, and exactly the same with Honda Civics and Integras.

I was talking to someone at the 4&rotary Nats who also mentioned his GTI Pulsar broke into a 14.9, when it was relativly stock, This surprised me, as Iv raced several and thumped them with out much trouble, and although Iv never 1/4'ed my car, people Iv talked to with SiR Civics all claim mid 15s.

But anyway, Im sick of guys in a Boosted GSR lancers, or Turbo Skylines wanting to race me because they see a VTEC sticker on the side of my car. Theres no way Im going to keep up, its a totaly unfair race.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by Moppie
But anyway, Im sick of guys in a Boosted GSR lancers, or Turbo Skylines wanting to race me because they see a VTEC sticker on the side of my car. Theres no way Im going to keep up, its a totaly unfair race.

Looks like it goes both ways. Like someone menitoned for every Civic owner who thinks his car can warp time there is a guy in a boosted Lancer, etc that thinks the guy driving the Civic he pulled up on thinks the same thing.

[Moppie]

And theres always the guy in the non boosted Lancer who thinks that just because his car looks like a GSR its just as fast! same problem with MIVEC Gallants, same motor as the V6 MIVEC FTO, but a LOT more weight to slow them down.