Do you belive in God?

[Amish_kid]

Originally posted by Damien




A virgin...found here...on this planow of days!!!! ROFLMAO!!!

Sorry, felt the need for a sarcastic comment upon such an attack...I'll stop now since we are philosophizing and not flame thread.

whoa that made about as much sense as a football bat


<------ not one for the bible and Godly speach

[jon@af]

As a partial response to this thread, I myself believe that God exists. People who think otherwise will most likely ask me "how do you know?". and the truth is: I dont. simple as that. It's more a matter of believing than it is knowing. If you believe, anything is possible, and if God is not real, than I would still believe. As ignorant as that sounds, It will still instill in myself a feeling of hope. God gives those who would otherwise have nothing, something. Ive seen people so poor they can barely afford the clothing on them, but they believe God will provide for them and they are as happy as any rich man could ever be. People may ask "how do you know God is there?" Well, how do you know he Isnt? Granted there are many theories to the creation of the univers and man, but none of these are conclusive to the point that fact can be derived from them, this is why they are merely theories. In a way, organized religion comes down to a simple question, that being "do you believe in that which you cannot see with your naked eyes?" To which I respond, "yes, I do."

[thrasher]

hondacivic4drlx quote:

what are you saying science is god. how can science be god if we dont all understand it? science is somehting we made up to give meaning to everyday life. ots nothing but nonsense.


no, i am not saying god is science, science has nothing to do with this. the mere fact that we actually exist, that there are inexplicable things in the world, like the example i gave, proves that there is a supernatural force acting in the universe. the fact that there is a noumenal and phenomenal world shows that outside influences are at work. and i was defining that supernatural force as god, or basicalyy everything that we can't comprehend or explain, things about which we simply have to say, "It just is that way."

[boingo82]

No. I will elaborate later.

[GTStang]

Hey everyone, I started this thread and sorry I haven't added more to it
yet but I have been real busy. So here is my first add to the thread.

To all of you who say you don't believe in god... There are so many things that seem like they are way more than mere coincidence. Are you sure that everything we are and will become is just a pure lucky fluke? And finally do you feel like there is no point to your life then it doesn't matter? and if you feel that, then why be moral or just or anything like that?

For those who do believe in God... A lot of you your answer has been science can not explain or fully explian everything or that science is just our answer to God's doing. Well could it not also be that God is your explanaition that you need to try to understand your world? Think of this famous quote "Religion is the crutch of the weak"

I want to thank everyone who has added to this thread cause none of you have turned this into a pointless stupid flamed filled thread

[boingo82]

Originally posted by GTStang
... I want to thank everyone who has added to this thread cause none of you have turned this into a pointless stupid flamed filled thread

I want to second this. Fantastic!! Usually the religion threads don't last half this long before someone gets miffed.

In response to GTStang, my religious beliefs would best be defined as Secular Humanist. In short, I don't believe in God, I'm not sure about an afterlife/spirit world, I believe somewhat in fate, and I believe that everyone should be their best because it makes everything more pleasant for all of us, not because Big Brother is watching. In regards to the "fate" thing, I think that there's not a single superior being influencing things, but that some things like to fall into organized patterns. Kind of the "Chaos Theory" , things that look disorganised on a close level, when you back up they are all falling into patterns.

I'm going to quote myself from a previous thread. Please don't be offended, I don't mean this as an affront to anyone, it's simply my opinion.

Originally posted by boingo82

Unfortunately, I doubt this debate will ever do anything but offend most or all of the parties involved. I understand why Christians would be upset with mine and others' non-belief. If you believe that a superior power created all that exists, to have others deny Him credit would be understandably upsetting. What you don't seem to understand is that our denial of a superior power is not a deliberate affront to you or your belief system. We just disagree.

What it all comes down to for me is this: You know how if you look deep down inside yourself, you know without a doubt that there is a supreme being, and He created you and everything else, etc..?? Well, when I look deep down inside myself, I just KNOW that there is no God. And maybe we're both right. Maybe you have a God and I don't.

My biggest arguments against organized religion in general are these:
1. The amount of hypocrisy demonstrated by some religious followers. I've known too many people who were Sunday Christians, or Sunday Mormons, etc. They swear, steal, drink, speed, etc., but on Sunday go to church and claim to be good people.
2. That nearly every religion disagrees with every other religion. Not only do they disagree, but it seems most believe themselves to be the only "true" religion, and that followers of anything else are going to hell.
3. The idea that Satan is the root cause of evil. I don't go for this. Bad things happen, people are corruptible. A girl at my school once told a lengthy story about how she and her friends had been drinking and driving, and Satan tried to kill them by making the car run into a tree. That's not Satan. That's stupidity.
4. The fact that I've rarely been able to have an intelligent discussion with a religious person. They've usually gotten their feelings hurt and become severely defensive. In addition, the only arguments I've heard so far are the "look around you, all this couldn't have happened by chance" (I believe it could) and "The (Bible, Book of Mormon, Koran, etc.) says so, therefore it is." Unfortunately this has no more effect on me than it would on you if I said "look here, it's all in my big book 'o' aetheism, therefore it is".

I realize that most religions encourage recruiting. I understand that it's considered your duty as followers. However, I've had many, many, many missionaries at my door, I've read the Bible, I've gone to church, and I'm not convinced. It just doesn't add up for me. If I'm ever ready to convert, I'll call YOU.

[Jimster]

No There is no supoerior being- There is little credibility to any religion

BUT


I went to a Catholic school of Marist order- and DO believe in the Christian morals and respectfulness to eachother

[GTi-VR6_A3]

i do not believe in god. it just doesnt add up for me. i like to believe its all just one lucky fluke. kinda fun. religion is a hole other matter. i truly despise the things it has caused while i am behind the good that has come of it. i dont think i need to find source you should all know what i mean. some of the things that have been carried out in "the name of god" make me sick. i doubt that any religion has it right otherwise there would only be one religion if there was a god. maybe all the religions believe in the same god and just wont admit it. there is all kindsa stuf i wish i could quopte right now but i will strugle through it and i do not remember who said it.

"even if there is no god man would still create religion in his absense"

"it is beter ti believe in go and be wrong than to not believe and find out there was one"

so at the moment i do not believe but peoples views are always changing and maybe someday i will.

but maybe, as my freidn marco refers to me, im just another white boy on a power trip...

-GTi-VR6_A3

wow i wrote so much without asying anything

[GTi-VR6_A3]

by the way i am in a religion class. i have read the bible. im in the middle of the koran. ive been to baptist and catholic services. read the dhammapada (SP?) and the bagahvad git (SP?). and observed many years of different perspectives and read way too much for the age i am. jsut to let you knwo where i get this from

-GTi-VR6_A3

[Amish_kid]

Bahhhh nothing makes sense anymore
I was just reading up on Abiogenesis which was disproven
which is that life cannot be formed from nothing
also if there wasn't life to begin with it can't be made so how are we here
also when you think about it,it also rules out Evolution kinda
man i feel like killing myself to find out
I wanna know!

[RyanGiorgio]

I have personally had a few situations that has confirmed for me that God exists, just a sure fire moment where I've felt that I am definately not alone.

Same things happen to me, my mother, and my grandmother. I agree with you 100% about how there is absolutely no possible way that everything we have got here through some science bullshit.

[GTi-VR6_A3]

Originally posted by RyanGiorgio


Same things happen to me, my mother, and my grandmother. I agree with you 100% about how there is absolutely no possible way that everything we have got here through some science bullshit.

if i ever did believe in god which at the moment i dont. the bigbang theory is still pretty good. id still have to believe in that. and if you dont believe what a science book tells you why believe what any book tells you(aka the bible) what makes it so valid....

-GTi-VR6_A3

[Damien]

Originally posted by GTi-VR6_A3


if i ever did believe in god which at the moment i dont. the bigbang theory is still pretty good. id still have to believe in that. and if you dont believe what a science book tells you why believe what any book tells you(aka the bible) what makes it so valid....

-GTi-VR6_A3

Then why believe anything? I mean, if you don't believe the Bible, then why believe science books? They are just something written by man also. They're just theories like anything else other than the fact we do breathe. But what is it really? Man just gave it a name sometime ago and now we follow it. Just a thought to ponder...

I don't mean for that to sound argumentative, it really is just something to think about. I can understand why people don't believe in God and all that because in reality, it is all speculation. But then again...so is science.

[speediva]

Do I believe in:

God? Yes

Organized Religion? No

[Rod Himself]

ill have to agree (partially) with saturntangerine. I'm a christian and it seems today that organized religion is a big farce. Churches are filled with liars, cheats, hypocrites, etc and it is an enormous hurdle for anyone to get past, not only for those within the church but for those looking from the outside. I can completely understand why someone who has never been involved with God or the church would not want to come in to that type of atmosphere or belief. Then a topic like this comes up and IF they stand for their beliefs they can't tell really tell you why and it goes on and on from there.

Im certainly not trying to toot my horn here and say im the perfect one, because God knows im not. Ive gotten drunk, high, talked my fair share of crap, (fill in other obnoxious behavior here) more times than i care to count. But at the end of the day, the He helps me get thru and move on to the next one and I am as thankful as ever. If you ask how i know that God is real? Im like everyone else; i just do. You get out exactly what you put in to something. and if im wrong what do i have to lose? nothing that i can see.

*steps down off soapbox, puts on flame retardant suit*