dream car Version *2 the dream garage

[Cbass]

AWD cars don't drift, they powerslide. In order to keep an AWD car moving sideways, you have to be on the gas, overpowering the tires to keep moving.

[flylwsi]

and that's different than a rwd drip how?

if you watch any rwd car drifting, the rear tires are being overpowered... same thing.

[Monkey-Magic-S15-R]

Originally posted by flylwsi
and that's different than a rwd drip how?

if you watch any rwd car drifting, the rear tires are being overpowered... same thing.

no they don't use the accelerator to do it
you can feint which also applies to AWD cars in rallies
you can brake so that the tires loose grip and skid
you can handbrake drift it also
or you can rush in brake lift off the accelerator and turn in and counter steer

PS BNR34 GTR - Vspec - II - nur isn't Fulltime AWD

[flylwsi]

in at least alot of the videos i've got here...
including the advan videos that i figured out how to download, and the jun supra drift, they are definitely on the gas, which is why they're smoking the rear tires.

that sounds like overpowering the tires to me...

http://mkiv.com/main/index.html

the first two videos there with the jun supra...

definitely power on oversteer drifting...

rear tires smoking like a fire give it away...

i know there are different types of drifting, but you can't say that a rwd car can't drift by stomping on the gas through a corner...

and the advan videos from yokohamas site have drivers pedaling the car around corners, hence the blow off...

and some advan vids from the d1 gp... same thing... tire smoke would mean tires spinning.

[Monkey-Magic-S15-R]

hey the difference between a power slide and a drift

drift is initiated on the way in the power slide is on the way out

[Cbass]

Well, powerslides can be started on the entry as well, but not very often.

AWD cars can't maintain full intertia drift, the tires end up grabbing too quickly. I'm not sure how the Skylines ATESSA system would work in that situation.

I've seen that Jun Supra video as well, that is powersliding. Inertia drift is a whole different kettle of fish, it involves overcoming the traction of the tires with the momentum of your car, usually through braking to transfer weight to the front tires, and turning sharply, bringing the rear around, and then throttle steering to get the front tires a little loose, and to control the back end.

Mere mortals use the handbrake

[flylwsi]

understood...

all i'm saying is that you can use the gas pedal to overcome the grip of the tires (regardless of how you got them to loose that grip)...

as it was stated that the accelerator isn't used to drift. which it is, in some part or another, it's necessary to gas it to keep the tires gripless...

that's my point...

[Monkey-Magic-S15-R]

as i said download the BEST MOTORING JAPAN SUPERCARS RACE VID with skylines and the lot racing around a track and you will see a skyline R34 GTR VSPEC drift.

[Fliquer]

^^true, albeit for a short moment. That video kicks ass, especially cuz its subbed.

[Tony]

I love that black WRX.

Alright here is my dream garage....well part of it





not those cars exactly, different stuff done to them, but you get the point

[NSX]

I took this from the Wangan thread, but wow:

:ylsuper Imagine driving this!

[Monkey-Magic-S15-R]

a modified JAGUAR XJ220

[CAptynCrunch]

Originally posted by Monkey-Magic-S15-R


no they don't use the accelerator to do it
you can feint which also applies to AWD cars in rallies
you can brake so that the tires loose grip and skid
you can handbrake drift it also
or you can rush in brake lift off the accelerator and turn in and counter steer

PS BNR34 GTR - Vspec - II - nur isn't Fulltime AWD

I can't believe I'm posting here...

Ok, just to try and clear this up, yes you do need to use the accelerator to drift.

1. You can fient in any type of car, and it has nothing to do with the actual drift, just initiating it. The fact that rally cars are AWD has nothing to do with why rally drivers fient, they only do it when the turn requires an excessive drift angle such as on slippery roads. Thats why they don't fient very often on tarmac stages.

2. Once again, braking to transfer the weight has nothing to do with the drift, just initiating it.

3. I'm not gonna get into the handbrake cause it should only be used in very limited and specific occasions.

4. This is exactly the same thing as #2. and there for requires the exact same response, see above.

Ok, now to set the record straight here is the basic textbook definition of a proper four-wheel drift. Not that stupid, slow as hell, so sidways I could piss out the window and have it not spray back in my mouth, oversteering you see in movies downloaded off the internet.

A drift is a state of equilibrium, which implies that due to the combined effects of the lateral component of the centrifugal force(the evil force trying to send our beloved cars into gaurd rails and walls instead of around turns) that acts on the rear wheels and the DRIVING TORQUE(read: gas being applied to the rear wheels) the rear wheels reach their limit of adhesion before the front tires do because the front tires are influenced only by the centrifugal force(again, evil) and the lateral component of the driving force(steering).

Why do you think people heel-toe before entering a corner? it's because they need to have the maximum ammount of torque available imediately because a drift is controlled just as much be the accelerator as the steering wheel.

And just for the record, technically a car is considered drifting when the front tires are still pointed in the direction of the turn being taken. If you have to counter-steer then it's considered a slide, and yes there is a difference.

[Cbass]

Originally posted by Monkey-Magic-S15-R
a modified JAGUAR XJ220

That thing is so beautiful, it could almost be a Porsche :hehehe:

[Cbass]

Originally posted by CAptynCrunch


I can't believe I'm posting here...

Ok, just to try and clear this up, yes you do need to use the accelerator to drift.

1. You can fient in any type of car, and it has nothing to do with the actual drift, just initiating it. The fact that rally cars are AWD has nothing to do with why rally drivers fient, they only do it when the turn requires an excessive drift angle such as on slippery roads. Thats why they don't fient very often on tarmac stages.

2. Once again, braking to transfer the weight has nothing to do with the drift, just initiating it.

3. I'm not gonna get into the handbrake cause it should only be used in very limited and specific occasions.

4. This is exactly the same thing as #2. and there for requires the exact same response, see above.

Ok, now to set the record straight here is the basic textbook definition of a proper four-wheel drift. Not that stupid, slow as hell, so sidways I could piss out the window and have it not spray back in my mouth, oversteering you see in movies downloaded off the internet.

A drift is a state of equilibrium, which implies that due to the combined effects of the lateral component of the centrifugal force(the evil force trying to send our beloved cars into gaurd rails and walls instead of around turns) that acts on the rear wheels and the DRIVING TORQUE(read: gas being applied to the rear wheels) the rear wheels reach their limit of adhesion before the front tires do because the front tires are influenced only by the centrifugal force(again, evil) and the lateral component of the driving force(steering).

Why do you think people heel-toe before entering a corner? it's because they need to have the maximum ammount of torque available imediately because a drift is controlled just as much be the accelerator as the steering wheel.

And just for the record, technically a car is considered drifting when the front tires are still pointed in the direction of the turn being taken. If you have to counter-steer then it's considered a slide, and yes there is a difference.

There is a great deal of confusion here over what actually constitutes a drift.

Drifting is overcoming the lateral traction of the tires, that being the grip they can exert from side to side, with the momentum of the car. Simply overpowering the rear tires to break their longitudinal traction is not drifting, that is power sliding.

The reason people heel-toe before corners is because they are using as much of the braking potential, or longitudinal traction of the tires as they can to deccelerate, and they need the smoothest shifts possible, so they do not send drivetrain jolts through to the rear wheels, which would result in possible traction loss. Heel-toing is common practice in most forms of road racing, not just drift.

It is true that the throttle controls the drift as much as the steering wheel, if not more. However, this is for different reasons than you have stated. Many of those drift videos show the pedals, and what the driver is doing. Watch the throttle, when the driver lifts off the throttle, the car oversteers more, not less. In inertial drift, weight transfer is the most important important principle. By putting more weight on the front wheels, the traction balance is biased towards the front of the car, and the rear end has less traction, and is prone to losing grip first, resulting in oversteer. Weight is transferred to the front wheels during the heavy braking, resulting in the intitiation of drift at the turn in. When throttle is applied, the wheels will spin slightly, but as they still provide resistance to the road, and it transfers weight to the back wheels, changing the handling balance once more, but this time making the car more prone to understeer.

When a drifter is applying the throttle heavily at the exit of the corner, it is not to overpower the rear wheels for a steeper angle of drift, it is to give traction to the rear wheels, and make the front end loosen slightly at the exit.

Of course, this all has to be done without overpowering the rear wheels TOO much, which is why drifting takes skill and practice.