Skyline R34 VS Diablo??

[raven1822]

As far as I know the GT300 and GT500 class does represent the hp numbers. Superstreet magazine had a few issues that covered the Silvia, MRS, and NSX as well as a little about the series and that is what they stated. One point that the brought to light is the Silvia, WRX, MRS, etc. are making 300bhp using turbo's, no problem right. However, what is amazing is that the NSX is making 500bhp in 3.5L NA form that is amazing!!!!

By the way it will be on Speed Vision tonight at 900PM EST I believe for a hour and half.

[flylwsi]

i knew it was going to be on...

i remember all the articles...

i feel the same, i'm preeeetyyy sure that they are two classes, as opposed to hp numbers... so...

there are some pics out of mugen's new nsx... but this is a skyline forum...

[R33]

If I am not mistaken the GTR does not hold the record for the "Ring".

If I am not mistaken the GTR still holds the record for production car. Gembala and Ruf are not production cars. But then again, I am old, so I cud be wrong!

Is this a fair comparison??. Probably not. The Diablo that is running JGTC is not very competitive.

Well, I was comparing a modded GTR to a modded Diablo. That's the whole point. What can I do if a Diablo is much harder to mod and to make it competetive. It just means that the GTR is a much better car in modded form, isn't it?

The Diablo team is called the "NOMAD DIABLO JGT1". That "Yellow Corn Diablo Team" your referring to is actually the "Yellow Corn McLaren GTR" team.

Hey, thanks for correcting me! I get confused sometimes! But whatever it is, the GTR spanks both team in the JGTCC. If someone gonna gimme a McLaren or a GTR wud I take the McLaren? Sure I wud! It wud look good beside my GTR!

[flylwsi]

actually... i'm pretty sure that Gemballa and RUF, like saleen, are considered manufacturers...


so...

[raven1822]

I do believe Gemballa maybe considered an aftermarket tuner. However, Ruf are an actually car manufact. All of their cars are indeed registered as Ruf's, they have their own VIN and Part numbers. Where as as Gemballa actually use the originaly VIN and chasis number as it was given when it rolled off of Porsche's line.

As far as JGTC goes, you are correct the Lambo does get walked pretty much every race. In fact I did not even see it racing last night. As for the Mclarens they looked pretty good last night. The Skyline did pretty well though but those damn Supras and Honda's are just too tough to beat.

[BBD]

Btw if you are sayig the clip from ww.toprpm.com Diablo VS GTR33 I will tell you that GTR33 is Bone STOCK it only has a singel fogger N2O, thats about it Turbos I/C and all the rest where stock in the GTR33 I know cuz I have seen the car around here and the owner of that Diablo is an old friend.

[diegoaccord]

The Skyline R32/3/4, Lancer Evo 3/4/5/6, and NSX are the best cars out of Japan, and easily whoop on alot of more exotic cars when modded, but anyone heard of the Diablo VTTT 1100HP of twin turbo power.

[sami]

Originally posted by flylwsi
actually... i'm pretty sure that Gemballa and RUF, like saleen, are considered manufacturers...


so...

But are their cars considered production cars?

I believe the current record holder is Porsche GT2, followed by GT3 and R34 GT-R. All have done it in under 8min (R33 GT-R was the first to achieve that). There still aren't many under the 8min mark if you count out modified cars (including RUF and Gemballa).

[flylwsi]

i know that saleen and steeda mustangs are sold through ford dealers, and have full warranties and what not, so yeah, they are production...

i'm pretty sure that RUF and gemballa are the same way, where they start with brand new cars, and they become a RUF or Gemballa with their own warranty and everything...
so they're production cars...

[sami]

Originally posted by flylwsi
i know that saleen and steeda mustangs are sold through ford dealers, and have full warranties and what not, so yeah, they are production...

i'm pretty sure that RUF and gemballa are the same way, where they start with brand new cars, and they become a RUF or Gemballa with their own warranty and everything...
so they're production cars...

Actually the Gemballa holds the record for modified production car so it is not considered a production car. Even thou they are "manufacturers" their cars are not production cars as they started life as another car.

GT2 is still the production car record holder.

[raven1822]

Ruf's DO NOT start life as another car. They never have Porsche VIN numbers, but only have RUF numbers from the beginning. Yes they do share the same chasis and perhaps some other parts, so does that mean they start as one in the same??? No it does not. Look at it from another POV. The 350Z, Murano, Altima, Maxima, G35 etc. are all built on the same chasis and share some of the same parts. Does this mean they are all the same car . . .

Ruf are not like other aftermarket tuners such as Haman, Brabus, Carlson, etc. These companies do use stock models as a base and do not hold there own VIN numbers. When you register a Ruf it is registered as a Ruf from the factory and not a Porche. Now whether RUf is considered a non-production car by those who write the records, I do not know. But the Ruf is produced as RUF and not a Porche.

[sami]

Originally posted by raven1822
Ruf's DO NOT start life as another car. They never have Porsche VIN numbers, but only have RUF numbers from the beginning. Yes they do share the same chasis and perhaps some other parts, so does that mean they start as one in the same??? No it does not. Look at it from another POV. The 350Z, Murano, Altima, Maxima, G35 etc. are all built on the same chasis and share some of the same parts. Does this mean they are all the same car . . .

The difference is that the base is built by a different manufacturer (Porsche) where as the Nissans/Infinities are built by Nissan from start to finish.

Maybe to be considered a production car it needs to be homogolated?

[raven1822]

Originally posted by sami

Maybe to be considered a production car it needs to be homogolated?

I honestly think this is the key. As I said it really depends on what is considered a production car. I do not think Ruf's are considered large production cars (they are limited production cars). In that case, sami is probably right. GT2 may indeed have the record.

[flylwsi]

nope. sorry.

just like a saleen.. starts as a mustang, but it's a production car.

RUF and gemballa and saleen can all mod cars, but they also produce cars.

the record may not be held by a RUF (production version) porsche, but rather one that they modded...

it's pretty technical and picky, but they're production cars.

[sami]

Originally posted by flylwsi
the record may not be held by a RUF (production version) porsche, but rather one that they modded...

it's pretty technical and picky, but they're production cars.

The production car record is held by a Porsche GT2. Not by a RUF, not by a Gemballa (which holds the modified production car record).