Skyline/G35/350z

[Cbass]

The G35(sedan, known as skyline in Japan), G35 Coupe(concept car, luxury 350Z), GTR(new skyline "R35") and the 350Z are all based on the same platform, all use the VQ35 engine, although with radically different setups.

The GTR is the faster car out of this field, taking up where the R34 GTR left off. The 350Z would be the best bang for the buck out of this field, but to get any more hp out of it, you would need to turbocharged it. $$$

The G35 Coupe is still a concept, although it may see production. The G35 sedan is no rocketship, it's a comfortable sporty sedan, but is not as nice a car as the BMW 330CI. I read one road test where the G35 took top honours over the BMW, because it cost less, even though the 330CI was consistently better in all tests/subjective ratings.

[TatII]

cbass where have you been? the G35 coupe is already out in the states. lolz

[TatII]

alright D12. you obviously underestimate the power of a turbo. okay lets say you have a civic Si. its a pretty quick car for a 1.6 liter. it runs a 15.2 1/4 mile. now what happens when you throw a turbo on it? in can run low 14 to high 13's on the 1/4 mile. you know how many cars difference that is? once you get into the 14's and 12's. each .1 second equals to one car. now a civic that runs a 13 on the quarter will be lets see atleast 7 cars ahead. thats a freakin burn right there. now if you know how turbo's work. a turbo basically is craming more air pressure into the combustion chamber. a naturally aspirated engine at full load and at low rpm ( at its most efficent point ) only is running on around 4 pounds per square inch of atmospheric pressure. thats only 1/3 of earths atmosphere being used. the earth has 14.4 psi's by the way. now if you have a turbo. its can actually use more then 100% of earths atmosphere to add power. so if you see turbo charged cars. they run anywhere from 7 to 38 psi's over earths atmospheric pressure. basically you add that number to 14.4 psi. so 7 psi of boost is actually 21.4 psi. now compare even a lowly 4 psi to a 21.4 psi? each time you run a 14.4 psi. your theorically increasing the power by 100% in perfect considitions. but since its never perfect. so lets say 60% increase is more realistic. now a 287 hp 350Z is pretty nice for a n/a now imagine that car running on 14 psi's of boost. thats 60% of 284 added on. so which means your goin to get over 400hp. just to let you know how much faster any skyline is to a Z. when the R32 first came out. it was racing against a 300ZX TT, a RX-7 FC, a Supra turbo mark III, and a Galant VR-4 turbo. the skyline was a full 4 seconds ahead of the Z at the end of the race. which means when the skyline crossed the finish line. a few seconds later, thats when you see the Z come out of hte last corner goin to the straights. and back then the Z and the GT-R had about hte same HP. now imagine what a GT-R can do to a Z with about 150 more hp? and remember its not always about hp. the GT-R has an awesome 4WD system the GT-R would be long gone when the Z is still standing there smoking its tires on a drag start. thats why 500 hp GT-R can out drag 600 hp supra by over a second. it can also corner better, waaaaaaaay better. don't underestimate the GT-R. and don't over estimate the Z. they are nice cars, but any GT-R will make the Z look like trash.

[RACER D12]

:huh: Right over my head? All this stuff about earths atmospheric pressure and 14.bla =ing 27.bla makes say again :huh: But what ever fine the R35 would whip the 350z but the fact still stands the 350Z is the better buy. The R35 is supost to be more than an M3 some one said around 70k! thats way to much, i would take the 350z TT it, nitrous it and do some other crap and still have a ton of cash left over i mean hell if its 70k i would go buy the dam M3 which would hand the R35 its ass!

[TatII]

hahah wrong again. the even the R34 can spank the new M3 in every possible way. i don't why your underestimated the car so bad. the R33 can even beat the new M3 CSL ( the carbon fiber full race version being on sale ) for comparisions? alright the R33 GT-R did the Nuremburg race track in 7 minutes and 59 seconds. still currently holding the world record for the fastest production car ( of over 10,000 made in a year) to do that in the world. the fastest of the M3's the CSL. they're bragging how they can now do the Nuremburg in 8 minutes an 30 seconds. hmmmmmmm now all of the sudden the M3 CSL dont' seem so fast anymore? and just to let you know 30 seconds is a life time in the racing world. and the CSL is estimated to be anotehr 30 seconds faster then the standard M3 that you think can smoke a skyline. now this is with a R33. a R34 is even better then a R33. i admit, the R33 is slightly faster on the straight, but the R34 more then makes up for it in the corners and in the brakin department. don't underestimate the GT-R. in fact that completely bone stock R33 actually beat several japanese tuned supra's at that track. now how you like them apples? and now your comparing a messily little 333hp to the soon to be R35's 450hp? with its ATESSA ETS -PRO? not a chance in hell.

here are some specs of some older GT-R's just to let you know how fast they really are

R33 GT-R


0-60 4.7 seconds
1/4 mile 12.7 seconds

M3

0-60 4.8 seconds
1/4 mile 13.00

now the M3 looses on the quarter by .3 seconds. soo thats around 6 cars right there behind the GT-R. becuase when you hit 12's. each .5 seconds equals to 1 car difference. as much as i love the M3 and those raeally are sweet ass cars. the GT-R just out classes them. heres another comparision

R34 GT-R

0-60 4.7 seconds still faster,
1/4 mile 12.9 seconds now look at this


R32 GT-R

0-60 n/a
1/4 mile 13.4 seconds in the rain!! now thats crazy!



each GT-R is only rated at 280hp but if you put them on the dyno. i see stock numbers as high as 329hp at the wheels and 319ft lb of torque. those numbers were taken straight from a R34 GT-R in this GT-R club in england. if you want to see the dyno chart i'll look for it for you and post it up. now since a R34 has 329hp at the wheel. thats around 360hp at the crank. all of the sudden the M3's 333hp don't seem soo firebreathing anymore huh?

now this is my estimation of the R35. now since this is goin to have over 400 hp

R35 GT-R
0-60 4 seconds flat
1/4 mile in 12.2 seconds. thats as fast as a viper gt-s!!!

[RACER D12]

The BMW site says 4.8 0-60 with the M3 so that puts it close but like i said im not talking about track i dont get to go to the track that often im talking about street racing like i said before. Ya the Sky has a better 1/4 mile time but they are pros, they know how to handle Awd drag racing, have you tryed draging in a Awd car? it takes a lot of skill to drag good with one. Im not saying its really really hard but it take some skill more skill than say a Rwd car! Drag racing is hard period but draging a Awd car is evan harder so i belive in the real life if an m3 and a sky met up unless the skyline driver is really really experianced the M3 would win. And about the R35 4.0sec 0-60 i will belive it when i see it. But if you want to talk big time check out BMWs new Z8 its got 400hp or a little more stock, now how you like them oranges? But thats an argument for another day like when the Z8 and R35 come out and we can get some real times for them.

Side note: do you think the US will let Nissan bring a 400hp TT skyline over? i mean i hope they will but you know how those things go.

Im not trying to bad mouth Skylines i love them to. Just making sure i wasnt "harshing the vibe"

[TatII]

........... D12. the skyline is not a AWD. its a part time 4WD. its mostly RWD. its only 4WD when the front slips. so basically it can put down alot more power then a plan and simple RWD. becasue the skyline is like 80% RWD. the car has 6 traction sensors. one on each diff, and one on each corner of the car, that monitors for wheel slip at the rate of 10 times a second. the system is transparent as most test drivers said. and it won't understeer like a WRX would. and it won't bog like a WRX would on hard launches, if you compare the two systems, the WRX's AWD is like a stone axe compared to the GT-R's. becuse when it starts to launch only the rear wheels would spin, then the computer would split like 20% torque to the front wheels to pull the car even harder. so in any case. the GT-R would smoke a M3. if you ever saw 12 second cars drag each other. the car might lose by a few cars. if you look at their e/t its only off by a tenth of a second. in fact. everyone whos test driven the skyline, said " you don't so much drive the skyline like you cling on to dear life, it makes even the most ham fisted driver feel like they have been weilded with god's feet. you just throw this car into any mess, and the computers just sorts everything out for you" this is exactly what jermey clarkson said in the top gear video review of the GT-R. he was sayin all this while he was just casually drifting the car in the corners. and in my school i know a guy from Cypruss. (its a country in the mediterean) he has sat in a few GT-R's and he says that car can launch hard, and easy, and if you throw that car in a corner, it will jsut take it. and hes a hardcore european car fan. and he even gives the skyline props. that is the only japanese car he would ever buy if he has the chance to. and on sport compact car, one of hte editors wrote about his one day that he had with a R33. and lets say that this m3 tried messing with him, and he was just fooling around with the M3. and when it was time, the skyline just left him. and this car is pretty stock, becuase its owned by some school teacher in japan. heh

[RACER D12]

oh i feel a bit stupid Thats kind of cool so its both Rwd and 4wd. So this new Skyline must have awsome cornering i know the old ones were good but to me just didnt grip the road like the STI 22b now that car could hold corners.

[TatII]

thats the reason why it didn't grip the road like the 22B lolz its not a all wheel drive. it handles more like a RWD so it won't understeer like how a 22b would. but it still will provide better grip then a pure bred RWD. but not as much as a full time 4WD

[Polygon]

Give me the 350Z. I'll put my own two turbos on it. Better bang for the buck to me, plus I think it looks the best of the group.

[Fliquer]

The R34 still costs nearly 60k in Japan. I dont think it deserves the "bang for the buck" title.

[Gonthrax]

I'll add my $.02 here and there on several subjects.

First of all. The new GTR. More then Likely it's going to be a 3.3l VQ. Also with electric motors to spool your turbos an almost eliminate turb lag. Try doing that w/ a bolt on kit

Advantages over previous gens of GTRs? Shorter engine moves it further back in the engine bay, improves weight distrib. Less lag. Next generation of ATTESSA. More aerodynamic!!!!!


D12. I'm not sure if you've ever ridden in an R34 or a 22B. I haven't either, but I'm pretty sure that the R34 will pull more lateral Gs then the 22B. Isn't it somthing like .91 stock? There's a guy on SDU, canman, who's passengers have seen 1.10 in his Vspec2. Ask Razor.

As far as bang for buck? R32 GTR V-spec2, In Nz no questions asked. Actually, for 30k from Motorex, I'd say best bang for buck here in the US too.

[RazorGTR]

Yep that is about right for the R34 Vspec II. We hit 1 full G many times and it stuck to the road like glue. I was quite impressed for sure.

Actually just to clearify a couple of points. The GTR is RWD until the as Tat pointed out sensors around the car indicated either rear wheel slippage or G-forces which would or may require front wheel torque. The general torque split is up to @ 15% until the rear wheels break traction or the acceleration rate is intensified. I have actually gotten my R32 up 40% front wheel torque in the dry under wot (wide open throttle) and had virtually no RW slippage.

The R32 had a single G-force sensor located in the center council, While the R33 and R34 added an additional one with the Vspec models for latteral instead of just longitude as in the R32. Also the cogs on the rear axles that send signals to the ABS part of the ECU also send signals ATTESSA of the ECU. Another small note is in order for the ECU to know whether it is braking and not accelerating is the ECU takes readings from the throttle position sensor.

While the R32 is more crude in all of this, it was majorly refined in the R34. Hence the reason you can throw it around so easily, while if you push the R32 to the same limits as the R34 in a standard car the R32 will spin out well before the R34 will. The R32 is also lighter and more nimble.

The 22B is over rated. While it is still way better than the standard 2 litre WRX STI model it is not in the same class as the EVO, NSX, Series 6 RX, and GTR. I have downloaded test after test after test and the subbie or the RX always comes in last place on the tarmac/road.

Power wise the R32-R33 were about the same, while the R34 was quite a bit over the factory stated amounts. Nissan changed the turbos on the R34. They are in fact actually a wee bit smaller in overall specs but seem to flow much better, bring boost on quicker and sustain it quite well.

[SuPeRcAr_MaN]

In case all of you didn't know, the 350Z and the G35 coupe are pretty much the same car. They are built off the same frame, and the Infiniti edges out the 350Z in just about every category, including style IMO. Of course, most people will take a Skyline in this pole, as I did. I am liking that concept car too, except the headlights... They are a little funky...

[flylwsi]

actually....

since you didn't look at the age of the thread...

alot has been learned since october


the g35 coupe and 350z aren't the same car...

same platform, yes, but the g35 is on a longer wheelbase, which makes a difference...