eclipse vs. vette please explain

[1320B4U]

You evidently did and thats why you posted it. I cant wait for us to get some real fast stock (a la JDM STi and EVO) 4 bangers here To shut your whinning, yammering trap up.

[SuPrBuGmAn]

...I think some of you are just completely forgetting the fact that its fun to mod a car to be fast. You want a stock out-a-the-box rocket, get your `Vette. Some of us consider our cars, our hobbies however...

I drive a `66 Bug and I about to drop a 2L Porche block in it :P Its fun, and thats all I care about.

[mytalon]

I know for me that there is a satisfying feeling in being able to say that my 4 cyl. 2.0L can go toe to toe with a 8 cyl 5.7L corvette. The car is a legend and I strive to make my car that fast, even if the vette is stock. I enjoy working on my car. I don't think that any import lover will say that in the long run the vette's capabilities are far greater than that of any import on the market. However, with the same dollar amount pumped in to each car, I think the DSM will be faster, for the pure fact that everything for a vette costs 1k. I have a friend modding his vette right now and everything he buy's for it cost a grand plus.

[Gravitom]

First off, I own neither a Vette or an eclipse, in fact I came to this board to look into buying and modding a 1st gen gsx for rally but I completely agree with n1kki6. I am an import lover but import fans can be idiots at times. The size of you engine does not matter and your gas mileage does not matter (and in a race car reliabilty doesn't matter but most of us have daily drivers not race cars). Its all about how fast and how well your car can handle.

It doesn't really matter how you got there. 4 cylinder, straight 6, v6, v8, turbo, supercharged, naturally aspired, rotary, steam engine, pogo stick or a fucking red wagon being pulled by your german shepard. Its all a matter of preference. n1kki6 got a damn good deal on a vette and whoops eclipses asses, who cares that his engine is a 350, he paid less for it so he wins races. Saying that his car can't pull more hp per liter is just silly and makes you look like a sore loser.

The same thing applies to people who put $10k into their $20k Integras to beat a $25 mustang. How can you brag about that? It makes no sense. Granted if you are concerned about handling obviously are better of with the Integra but the majority of import tuners only drag race and couldn't corner at high speeds for their life.

n1kki6 don't worry about what uninformed import tuners say, just be happy that you can spank them and don't listen to their delusional excuses.

[Pennzoil GT-R]

the main idea of Jap cars is value for money. In the vette vs. eclipse case maybe it is a bad example. but here in the UK you can pay about £150,000 (about $200,000)?) for an Aston Martin Vanquish (which believe me is better than you're Viper/Vette in every way). You can then buy something like a Nissan Skyline R34 GT-R for £54,000 (about $80,000?) and invest about £40,000 ($60,000?) tuning it. So for less than £100,000 you can have a car that will out-accelerate, out-handle, out-anything the Vanquish. There are alot of other cheap cars this will work for, and even more so if you buy second hand.

In short, it is paying a little money to make a car beat something that is twice to three times the price.

[Gravitom]

I agree but not all japanese cars are a good value for your money and not all american cars are not a bad value for your money. $40k a new vette is a great deal and there is nothing offered in the same range from Japan. Also if you are only concerned about 1/4 mile times, a Mustang is a much better buy than anything from Japan, stock it pull great times and can be just as easily modded as anything from Japan. If you want to autocross or solo race, japan is the best performance but for straight line speed, american is the way to go. Personally, my next car is a 350z because I like to go fast and handle well but to each their own.

[Pennzoil GT-R]

Originally posted by Gravitom
I agree but not all japanese cars are a good value for your money and not all american cars are not a bad value for your money. $40k a new vette is a great deal and there is nothing offered in the same range from Japan. Also if you are only concerned about 1/4 mile times, a Mustang is a much better buy than anything from Japan, stock it pull great times and can be just as easily modded as anything from Japan. If you want to autocross or solo race, japan is the best performance but for straight line speed, american is the way to go. Personally, my next car is a 350z because I like to go fast and handle well but to each their own.

ye, but Japanese cars ARE generally better value for money. IMO, straight line speed is the least important measure of speed, and how often do you get the chance to floor the car for a whole 1/4 mile. A car needs to be quick 0-60, and from about 30-90. But handling is by far the best measure of performance. Japan can offer the best of both worlds. You're Mustang can be equal to a Skyline in the quarter, but i very much doubt you could ever get a 1000hp Mustang or Vette to handle aswell as a 1000hp Skyline or Supra

[Gravitom]

I completely agree, in fact my favorite car is the Supra and I care much more about handling than straight line speed. My point is that there are many import tuners that only care about drag racing and for drag racing an american car is better than an import, dollar for dollar. I would never own a Mustang because I couldn't give a rat's ass about straightline speed. But if I suffered some brain injury and actually cared about drag racing, I would buy a Mustang over any Japanese car because that is what they are good at.

[94tegRS]

Originally posted by Gravitom
First off, I own neither a Vette or an eclipse, in fact I came to this board to look into buying and modding a 1st gen gsx for rally but I completely agree with n1kki6. I am an import lover but import fans can be idiots at times. The size of you engine does not matter and your gas mileage does not matter (and in a race car reliabilty doesn't matter but most of us have daily drivers not race cars). Its all about how fast and how well your car can handle.

actually to me, some of that is important.


my personal car is an integra. and mine isnt at all going to keep up with that guys vette, or even thew slower eclipses, mine probably runs a 15.5 at the very best but ive never run it so i dont know.

But for me, a perfect car involves the handling, the acceleration, the way it feels drivign it, the room inside, and even the gas mileage, and yes the reliability as well.
sure I would like a car that runs 12's. but If i had to spend more money, have less room, enjoy driving les and pay double the price for gas, AND have a car that is only going to last half as long, I just wouldnt do it.

[ECTurboGSX]

Like I said earlier, I have around 6 grand in my car including buying it and it ran a 13.5 my first time at the track (ie no prior experience). The eclipses that talked shit are idiots, but that does not mean that imports are not fast. You find me a street driven domestic on street tires that drives to the track and runs mid 9s. Jon Shepperd drives his 91 talon to the track and runs 9.7s at over 155. Imports are fast, and I gurantee he has less money in it then some of those nitro methane supercharged big block cars.

[94tegRS]

yeah, I was looking at stuff to mod a GSX and I found all the stuff to make it run like high 10's for like 10 grand or less if you just look around, then after the price of like 8500 on the car itself, you got 18k which is alot cheaper than those big blocks and just about as fast, I think the funny cars were at like 10.2 or so when i looked last. but I didnt know enough about tuning or anything to try it at all. and I still probably dont but once i get better at this stuff, you can be sure Im gonna do it

[mytalon]

To the vette owner's: The import guys talk just as much smack to there own, as they do to the big blocks. :sun:

[Gravitom]

Originally posted by 94tegRS


actually to me, some of that is important.

People who put $10k worth of mods on their car are not concerned about an extra 2 miles to the gallon for gas. People who put on aftermarket turbos are not concerned about reliability. And how much hp/liter your car makes (although impressive for the manufacturer) means absolutely nothing about your cars performance. People just like to brag about something, despite how meaningless it is.

[94tegRS]

says who, I know people who put turbos on their cars and still worry about reliability. people I know arent SERIOUS racers, we driveour cars verywhere we go so we need them to last a long time and not cost a shit-load in gas. and sorry, but old vettes get a lot worse gas mileage than integras, eclipses and such. way more than a difference of 2mpg.

[Pennzoil GT-R]

aftermarket turbos wont always reduce reliability. only when they start putting on heavier mods will they reduce reliability and fuel consumption down to the levels of old US muscle cars. there is recent feature in a UK magazine about a Supra running 860hp that still managed about 14-15 mpg. from what i hear stock vettes arent much above this.

And how much hp/liter your car makes (although impressive for the manufacturer) means absolutely nothing about your cars performance. People just like to brag about something, despite how meaningless it is.

hp per litre just gives you an idea of how unreliable a car is likely to be, if it is being stressed too much. straight line performance is best measured with power/weight.