Apex AFC vtec controller??? Is it worth it

[CivicEx95]

I think i like naked girls' approach is the best if you want to spend a lot of money and be very upset with the performance you get out of it.

[PoisonFangs]

What do you suggest then.

[CivicEx95]

Saving for a K20C3 swap, or just realizing that not a lot of hp is going to come from that engine, and saving yourself a lot of money

[PoisonFangs]

Just out of curiosity how much HP can you possible squeeze out of a stock 02 ex engine, sorry i dont know the engine code.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Maybe 160 to the flywheel after a few grand. Maybe 200 bhp if you decided to make it a trailer queen

[ric]

Originally posted by CivicEx95
I think i like naked girls' approach is the best if you want to spend a lot of money and be very upset with the performance you get out of it.

true i used to think this way to but in all honesty i have come to realize not everyone has the cash at one time for a swap nor do they have the money for turbo or a supercharger. if this guy isnt looking for massive horsepower and is gonna take the bolt ons route which 99% of you people are doing yourselves in the first place then what exactly is wrong with this option? trust me if we wanted real horsepower we would all have sold our cars for a shell of a mustang notchback, bought a ford crate motor and put a paxton supercharger on it and ran tens all day with welfare money.

some poeple just cant come across that kind of cash or they just dont have the will power or ability to save that kind of cash. this is why bolt on's exist. for the average enthusiest who wants to make his/her car perform better slowly piece by piece. not everyone is like me, not everyone wants to make a 10 second street car by working two jobs and giving blood weekly for extra cash to get there. so just let the guy decide what he wants to do before routes get trashed. and for instance if he did go a naturally aspirated route and woul be content with the gains he got what exactly would be wrong with the option i specified? nothing.

i can see why i have been drifting away from these boards lately. one can only stand knee deep i shit for so long before the smell gets to him.

and personally i could give a fuck less if anyone gets pissed at me cause there are only three people opinions on this board i take to mind and i'll even name them. civsiguy, rice rocketeer, and saturn tangerine. and its only cause i know them in real life, which i must be getting back to now.

by the way poisen fangs, i have yet to hear of any valvetrain components for your car although im sure ferrea could make custom valves and springs, and i have also not heard of any botton end parts but im sure wiseco could make you custom pistons and send you to a place that could make custom rods. this is all ASSUMING thats what your going to do. i say give it a little while and see if an aftermarket develops for your car. and delsolguy is probably right, you probably wont see track scorching numbers from your motor but will the numbers you see be satisfactory? and will the relief of buying a 300$ part here or a 150$ part there over the course of time be more in your budget and mindset then spending 4000$ on a turbo setup or a swap. pick your poison (no pun intended)

[Quetzolcotl]

if you want stuff you can do yourself get a new cam. for ~$300 you can add 7-10 hp. that is if they are available for your engine yet.

[drift]

the VAFC is not worth it on that motor. the SOHC VTEC motors are designed for economy, and because of that, they have no dedicated VTEC x-over point. they change cam lobes anytime the motor goes WOT and all other sensors are within tolerance.

therefore, you'll actually be a bit slower as VTEC wont engage when it should, but will engage what you set it to, which will be too high for some applications, and too low for others.

as for the fuel adjustments, you arent going to get any more power than you already have unless your motor has been dramatically modified to the point where fuel must be altered.

[Quetzolcotl]

the vtec in my sohc motor and that of most ex model civics kicks in at 5500 rpm always. the only time it doesn't kick in is when the engine is cold but it is preset at 5500 and no other factors come into play. on the new vtec-i engines the vtec engagement is based upon load, speed, rpm ect, i believe.

[PoisonFangs]

I would love to put a turbo on my car but i have been told that it would not be able to handle the power. I really do not want to do an engine swap so really alls i can do to this one is bolt ons from what im hearin. If anyone knows the info on puttin a turbo on my car and if it will hurt it really bad or not let me know.

[onesojourner]

there are two diff routes for f/i turbocharge or supercharge from what i read a turbo will be less reliable and higher maintanance than a supercharger. but the turbo will allow for more mods and huge power gains. one thing i havnt been able to find is info on f/i in the long term like how much it reduces engine life.

[Quetzolcotl]

the ex engine cant take more than 6 lbs of boost without risking blowing it. there are some good write ups on asia.vtec.net with ex engines and low pressure turbo systems. if you want more boost you will have to rebuild the internals and that gets costly. do what you can with bolt on stuff and when you want more power start savin for a swap.