God

[fritz_269]

Originally posted by higgimonster
I don't really understand what you mean? Popper clearly said that the only way a theory can be regarded true is that if it is falseifiable (able to be false). All current scientific theories can be proven false simply by finding signifigant evidence against it. The theory of God (as seen through the eyes of believers) is not fallible. It is to circular and does not allow the ability to ask question and get a good response in return.

I have read popper before this post and I agree with most all of what he says, but I am a little confused about what you are referring to.

Mabey if you are talking about the exact statement made by talontsi I agree with you, but that stance is the lawyer's stance: Look for some part of the stement that devalidates it. Because he sadi "incontroversial" his statement cannot be considered a 'Popper' theory.

Cute pun.

You picked out my point exactly: the word "incontrovertible" means unquestionable, impossible to dispute. This is in total opposition to both Bacon's and Popper's ideas in the philosophy of science. Popper's main theory of Falsificationism is the idea that science advances by unjustified guesses followed by relentless criticism. Nothing incontrovertible about it. I do not know whether talontsi knows this or not - if he does, he was simply dropping a little flame bait - if he does not, he was making a unjustifiable (and false) statment. And because this is the Philosophy forum - I can pick on semantics if I like! You don't have to be a lawyer to do that. Words have meaning!

However, I do agree with much of your reasoning; that many theories of god are tautologies, and thus useless in a scientific context. And I'm happy to know that someone else around here has read some Popper.

[talontsi]

I wasn't attempting to be in sync with Bacon's or Popper's theories, this is my theory or my thoughts at least.
The fact that it doesnt fit these men's theories means nothing. Its what you and other people think as individuals that really matters to me.

Peace

[MBTN]

Originally posted by talontsi
I dont if this has been discussed in the past, but I want to bring up my point that God is not real and was only made up so humans could have something to believe in.

To me now, it seems ridiculus to go to church and worship some invisible supreme being. It's basically like people going there and talking to themselves.
It's not that I am encouraging everyone who believes in god to disbelieve (that would be hard to accomplish) its just that if you look to science almost everything is explained logically. With the bible its all based on you believing, with science its all presented clean and cut, making it very incontrovertible.

What are your veiws?

FINALLY!!!! I won't argue with this one, it's been done a lot of times before. I mean, why argue when you're right?

[V.S.]

why does being "right" matter on a subject(god) that can't be known?

Instead, how about having some sort of insight which is any way original or interesting? Also, how about not being arrogant about something you can't know(god), and not being blatantly wrong when describing science?

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

LOOK GOD DOESN'T EXIST GET OVER IT

if he did all the BAADDD people in the world wouldn't be here and all religions would be Christian.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

Science is what people can work and find out using numbers and other devices created by the almighty human race which seems to be self destructive.


The randomness of the universe surpasses any attempt to think there is a god


I hate it when religious looneys try to get me to go to Church

I have been to church already and i hate it it is a waste of good working time i'd prefer to live in the present than the future

If i die I want to be riencarnated ever read Mort by Terry Pratchett

Death takes you to whatever you believe in thats sounds cool doesn't it ? Well he doesn't exist every one isd subject to certain laws and random consciequencies.

Just because you want some control in your life doesn't mean you have to push that religious crap on me.

Most wars were fought in the name of god.

[kris]

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
LOOK GOD DOESN'T EXIST GET OVER IT

if he did all the BAADDD people in the world wouldn't be here and all religions would be Christian.

ok.... Dude, I understand you dont believe in god. Chipper for you. However, you're acting as much a zealot about your lack of faith as the "religious looneys" you're quick to condem.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
Most wars were fought in the name of god.

Yup, WWI... now wait.... WWII, no not that one either..... Vietnam.... nope, how about Korea. Nope, not that one. Gulf, Spanish American, Civil, 1812, Revolutionary (American, French) 100 years war... None of those either.

hmmmm..... I hear a lot of people state that most wars are fought in the name of God. People certainly bring up the Cursades and others, and which claims its about god, but like most wars, it was about power. God was just an excuse.

Dont get me wrong, there are religous persecutors out there but that blanket statement that most wars were fought in the name of god is misleading.

[kris]

Originally posted by YogsVR4




Dont get me wrong, there are religous persecutors out there but that blanket statement that most wars were fought in the name of god is misleading.

Now, please go easy on me. But religion is not my best subject. But when you say wars fought in the name of God are misleading, is that coming from your point of view, or the opposing forces? What I mean is, say the Gulf War for instance. Didn't Saddam declare that a Holy War? So wouldn't a Holy War in turn be fighting for God?

And to the creator of this topic, and those that say God is nothing but a fake, who are you to say what is fact or fiction?

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by kbslacker



Now, please go easy on me. But religion is not my best subject. But when you say wars fought in the name of God are misleading, is that coming from your point of view, or the opposing forces? What I mean is, say the Gulf War for instance. Didn't Saddam declare that a Holy War? So wouldn't a Holy War in turn be fighting for God?

And to the creator of this topic, and those that say God is nothing but a fake, who are you to say what is fact or fiction?

Now this is another item for a thread. He did say it was a holy war, but only to try and drum up support for himself. I dont for a minute believe that he truely felt that way. When a war is going on, most everyone tries to cast themselves as rightous or on the side of god.

As an additional point about the name of god being behind wars, how about wars fought by communist regimes? The commies (yup - I dont like that form of government) do not believe in a god or religion. I guess that would make them the most peaceful and tolerant people on the planet.

[V.S.]

[sarcasm]Most wars are fought over religion just like every football game that follows a prayer is played with the help of god.[/sarcasm]

[V.S.]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


As an additional point about the name of god being behind wars, how about wars fought by communist regimes? The commies (yup - I dont like that form of government) do not believe in a god or religion. I guess that would make them the most peaceful and tolerant people on the planet.

so atheism isn't a religion then? If it looks like a duck, sounds like a duck...

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


Yup, WWI... now wait.... WWII, no not that one either..... Vietnam.... nope, how about Korea. Nope, not that one. Gulf, Spanish American, Civil, 1812, Revolutionary (American, French) 100 years war... None of those either.

hmmmm..... I hear a lot of people state that most wars are fought in the name of God. People certainly bring up the Cursades and others, and which claims its about god, but like most wars, it was about power. God was just an excuse.

Dont get me wrong, there are religous persecutors out there but that blanket statement that most wars were fought in the name of god is misleading.

all the recent wars stem from religous tensions

As far as i'm conscerned preach all you want just not to me OK ?

close this damn thread

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

Originally posted by kbslacker



Now, please go easy on me. But religion is not my best subject. But when you say wars fought in the name of God are misleading, is that coming from your point of view, or the opposing forces? What I mean is, say the Gulf War for instance. Didn't Saddam declare that a Holy War? So wouldn't a Holy War in turn be fighting for God?

And to the creator of this topic, and those that say God is nothing but a fake, who are you to say what is fact or fiction?

some people want to believe in a greator good thats fine but when they go about telling everyone about it then i get pissed...

I believe in solid fact Science is more solid than the bible so i#ll stick to that as for this thread it is too stupid you can't really talk about religion as neither side will give up unless you meet a person who i used to know who could easily make you drop your faith

Close it

[kris]

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K


some people want to believe in a greator good thats fine but when they go about telling everyone about it then i get pissed...

I believe in solid fact Science is more solid than the bible so i#ll stick to that as for this thread it is too stupid you can't really talk about religion as neither side will give up unless you meet a person who i used to know who could easily make you drop your faith

Close it

But see, when you all go about saying God is fake, is that not the same as a religous person telling you God is real? Just with a different outcome?