Could it be? The F60?

[gang$tarr]

where's the spoiler?

[enzo@af]

Well, the lack of a spoiler is somewhat strange, but it does make sense. Ferrari has never really used spoilers. We think of the F cars carrying massive spoilers, but in the long run, better aerodynamics are more efficient. That said, I shall quote the great Enzo...

"Aerodynamics are for people who can't build engines"

[MBTN]

Wow, I never knew he said that. I guess the 360 is a shitty car then!

I believe the F60 isn't even supposed to break 200mph, because it's being made for downforce.

[enzo@af]

Well....the 360 still has a killer engine...one which would make Enzo really glad, and one which makes Enzo@af really happy

[Porsche]

What's the point of so much downforce if it ain't going past 200? So you can drink you coffee?

[enzo@af]

Perhaps because this is a road car. Not too many times will the driver be going 200+ on the road, but I'm sure 100-150 will be frequent (especially on the audobahn), so stability at those speeds is probably something quite desirable.

That being said, I don't believe that it won't break 200mph. I know it's plausible, but there are bragging rights that need to be upheld.

[Heep]

I hope it ends up being more like the F40. I was (comparitively) quite disappointed with the F50, it's like Ferrari realized the popularity of the F40 and tryed to capitalize on style and image rather than pure driving excitement. The F40 is purposeful, it even looks it. The F50 seems made more for sitting in museums and for rich snobs to be seen in. Especially how it's open topped, hard tops usually handle much better than open topped cars. I hope the F60 is more a purpose built car and not an image car.

[enzo@af]

Gull wing doors! I disaprove....and after all, I am the ultimate authority.

[Heep]

Gullwing doors? Who mentioned gullwing doors? What do you disapprove of? The whole car, or gullwing doors?

[Adam]

it doesn't look like it..IMO it looks WAY too 90s ish... you'd think that they would make it look like the 360modenaish... not curvy enough.. a little more curves, bigger headlights, more MODERN and not older looking, (i'm talking about the flatness and sharp lines)...

you know what I'm talking about?

[Chris]

OK, you are forgetting that that is a heavily disguised mule. The 50's style fins are probably to disguise it, make it harder to guess what it will look like. ANd you can see the underbody diffuser exiting at 2 points out the rear, just like a 360 and every new racing car. 650 hp sounds right, from a NA V12 probably. 200 mph will be breached (bragging rights). THe downforce allows you to go faster, numb-nuts. Think about it: You're headed into a tight curve, going 120 mph. You go to turn, teh wheels slip liek they were on ice, you crash, roll, burn, die. Now you add some downforce, you make the turn, leave it at 105, and away you go. Even if you don't crash, you have to slow down to 80 to make the turn. Which makes more sense???
Have you ever driven at 185+ mph??? Neither have I, but I can imagine it is scary (fun) as hell. The last thing you want is to have to worry about the wheels leaving the ground (especially the front), or pushing down with insufficient force to turn. DOWNFORCE IS IMPORTANT!!!
This new F60 shouldn't have a wing or fins, bu tit will be the rootinnest-tuttinest Ferrari of modern days, maybe ever (performance wise, it will be, but that isn't hte only factor).
I can't wait, it will be awesome!

PS, I wonder how it will compare to the Bugatti 16/4 Veyron?? How will their philisophies mingle, and which is better??

[MBTN]

WOAH, numb nuts your self. Down force gives you stability at high speeds. Sure it lets you sustain high speeds around turns and what not, but it does not give a higher top speed. I reiterate, numb nuts. Wings and spoilers make downforce, they also make drag.

Got it, jerky?

[Chris]

Yes, I'm sorry. When I wrote that I had just finished trying to explain downforce to my friends.
I phrased it bad (the way I did it kinda worked for my friend)
Ok, here goes:
Downforce makes you go faster on a road cours. On ovals, to much is bad, but you need some. In a straight line, downforce is bad.

Sorry 'bout that.

Anyway, cant some wings make you go faster by letting the air go past easier?? It needs to be subtle, maybe even just a lip spoiler.

[enzo@af]

To be honest, I would personally prefer a more stable 180mph supercar than a less stable car that could reach upwards of 200. There is no way that I, in a road car, would even reach 180. Maybe if I went to the audobahn, things would be different. However, if I'm in my priceless Ferrari, I want to be stuck to the ground! Furthering this need for downforce, if I take it to a track, unless it's a pretty damn straight track, downforce will only help my times by allowing faster corners, later braking, and all that good stuff. Not too many tracks have excessive straights where 200+ mph spees are THAT beneficial.

But, I won't at all be surprised if the car has a blend of both...200+ mph speeds with the downforce to keep it planted to an upside-down road. FERRARI RULES!

[Chris]

Yeah, in the American grand Prix, they had lots of downforce to go fast in the twisties, but sacrificed speed on the straight.
This car will be awesome.