Part 4: N/A or Forced Induction

[92 Teg-B18A]

Originally posted by nemesls_2000
with a turbocharger!!
Found one for $3195 shipped. It comes w/ Garret T04/03 turbocharger, custom header & downpipe, chrome front mount intercooler & turbo piping, High flow bosche fuel pump, Vortech fuel mgmt unit, Greddy blow-off valve, bypass valves, and all necessary plumbing. Found it at www.cnw.com/~redline/HondaDragTurbo.htm
After you get this you shouldn't have any problem finding a bunch of sponsors!!!

Go with the Turbo !

And scrap the body kit, keep it the simple sleeper style !

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Alright, I MIGHT agree with the turbo setup but I highly disagree with not getting a kit. No offense but the exterior of a coupe is already designed to be pretty boring. You might get away with that in a hatch. But even with a subtle one that gives it an expensive car look, we need a kit.

And I still don't like the idea that we skimp out on everything else just we can get a turbo. I don't like locking yourself into the commitment so you can find out that all the misc. stuff forced you to get American Racing rims and fuckin Alpine deck with stock speakers.

[ACCSlvCivic]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer


Alright let's think.

$1000 rims and tires: $6000
$700 for a body kit: $5300
$500 for misc. exterior items $4800
$2000 for springs, shocks, camber kit, sway bars, and strut bars: $2800
$500 for cooling system: $2300
$600 for braking system: $1700
The rest goes for ICE

We still haven't installed or painted the body kit......And frankly a bunch of other shit I can't think of right now cause I have bigger things on my mind but it's cutting it awfully close.

I'll be back after I deal with the knots in my head.

Saying $2k for springs, shocks, etc.. might be a little much.. the only reason i could see it breaking that much is if we used true coilovers, not sleeves. for a car like this on our budget i believe sleeves like groundcontrol and some koni yellows would be good.. add in the front abd back upper tie bar and a thicker sway bar and you still shouldn't be over $1.5k... i could be wrong though...

If we used spaq's prices on audio etc.. we should be able to make a killer system and still have money to paint and maybe reapuluster the inside..

I say all this mess just to come to the point and say ... turbo or vortec that bia

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by ACCSlvCivic
Saying $2k for springs, shocks, etc.. might be a little much.. the only reason i could see it breaking that much is if we used true coilovers, not sleeves. for a car like this on our budget i believe sleeves like groundcontrol and some koni yellows would be good.. add in the front abd back upper tie bar and a thicker sway bar and you still shouldn't be over $1.5k... i could be wrong though...

Alright: $300 for the GC sleeves
$600 for the Koni Yellow's
$250 front and rear camber kit
$300 front and rear sway bar
$300 strut bars

$1750

[Hybrid Boy]

Originally posted by CivSiGuy
This is how the motor is..

b20 block, b16 head, b17 crank, CTR cams, JE rods and pistons @ 9.5:1 compression.

GSR transmission


ok.. go to it guys!

wait a minute here..... I am comfused... So that www.importbuilders.com crvtec swap only costs 4g's? no way, i could barely find a b18c swao USED with no extras for 3500!

[Goosse]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer
Alright, I MIGHT agree with the turbo setup but I highly disagree with not getting a kit. No offense but the exterior of a coupe is already designed to be pretty boring. You might get away with that in a hatch. But even with a subtle one that gives it an expensive car look, we need a kit.

And I still don't like the idea that we skimp out on everything else just we can get a turbo. I don't like locking yourself into the commitment so you can find out that all the misc. stuff forced you to get American Racing rims and fuckin Alpine deck with stock speakers.

I agree with Rice. A bodykit is a must. I know this is not the issue yet, but if you're really building an ultimate Civic you must have a full bodykit.

[nemesls_2000]

I know I'm jumping the gun, but I'm bored!! I found the Buddy Club bodykit for 96-00 Civic. It is $630 ($500 + $130 s/h) It's on e-bay: Item #600534314.

[ACCSlvCivic]

Alright: $300 for the GC sleeves
$600 for the Koni Yellow's
$250 front and rear camber kit
$300 front and rear sway bar
$300 strut bars

$1750

Ok... i think on group buy center you can beat those prices easy..
$300 is right for the GC coilovers
$550 or maybe a little less for yellows
Use the hardware fix for the rear camber kit (unless you have to get a differnt camber kit when you switch to rear disc breaks, i'm not sure..)
that means you'll probably only end up spending $30 on the back and prob $150 on the front.. that's less than $200
I haven't priced sway bars much, so i can't say anything on that one.
on the Strut bars unless you are buying spoon or mugen or something crazy like that you should be able to get both upper tie bars for < $200.. i don't see spending more than $250 upper and maybe the rear lower tie bar. Even without lower tie bar we should be so stiff w/sway bars and upper tie bars that the bottom one wouldn't make much diff..
I dunno.. let me know if you want me to go hunting on group buy center for the prices..?

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by ACCSlvCivic
Ok... i think on group buy center you can beat those prices easy..

I've been trying to give not the best prices but the average prices for all this stuff. Remember, this is a car that the average Joe can build. Project cars aren't made by finding the absolute cheapest price anywhere but the average price because that's what the average Joe is probably gonna pay.

We can't say "Well my cousin Gooky has a turbo he can sell you for $200. And I found this used Koni Yellow set on Ebay for $50. We need average prices.

But discussing suspension prices is not the priority right now. My point is, this is what we should expect, worset case scenario for suspension, let's choose wisely.

Let's get to the topic at hand. Turbo, Super or None?

[VTEC_boi]

Gah JON! I want to use your 'money'

anyways..MONEY is a problem..so I say go NA


the cams are already there - the R/S ratio is near perfect. The displacement is there! intake/header/exhuast and maybe some nitrous.

so...around what $600 for a 75 shot nitrous system. I'm estimating $1000 for i/h/e.

OR! If someone could find prices on pistons and rods we could go serious NA route...which is what I prefer.....

I am maybe thinking on going the autoXer route for the car. It's gaining popularity......


plus - we could become hoes for more money!

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
so...around what $600 for a 75 shot nitrous system. I'm estimating $1000 for i/h/e.

OR! If someone could find prices on pistons and rods we could go serious NA route...which is what I prefer....

You could strap a 75 shot to the stock motor. We already have pistons and rods. We could do a 100 shot or even a 125 shot with some tuning.

[ACCSlvCivic]

Originally posted by Rice-Rocketeer


You could strap a 75 shot to the stock motor. We already have pistons and rods. We could do a 100 shot or even a 125 shot with some tuning.

I'm rice on this one all the way... if we aren't going FI, i think NOS a must.. an NA honda is still going to have trouble hanging with vettes and such.. i know people who are shooting 75 in their d16 and hanging with vettes (not z06, but still...). if we put a nice 100 shot or more we ought to be able to light it up pretty good on the track

[VTEC_boi]

I know that Rene!

I was saying to that.

But..if rods/pistons were cheap enough we could do that as well and then run more shot.

But..if rods/pistons were too expensive just run 75.

[Rice-Rocketeer]

Originally posted by VTEC_boi
But..if rods/pistons were cheap enough we could do that as well and then run more shot.

But..if rods/pistons were too expensive just run 75.

Dude, We Already Have Rods and Pistons.

They came with the engine: JE rods and pistons @ 9.5:1 compression

[VTEC_boi]

OH! LOL! *acts like he isn't stupid*

I knew that!


i was going to suggest raising the CR - that's why i was wondering the prices.