Congrats to Samuel Hubinette!

[joebowlr21]

Originally Posted by 1viadrft

Secondly... I along with many of the old-school drift-fans and drifters alike hate the fact that there is a D1GP and Formula D and media attention! This will be the death of drifting as we know it! In case you have not caught on just yet... this is also my opinion.

Your opinion........is well taken.....not liked....but well taken. You say you are an old school drift fan yet you hate D1gp an so do other old school fans????

So you would rather see people drift on highways or mountain passes where there is a high chance of killing some poor innocent victim rather then in a controlled environment where you get judged based of style by the best, ridiculous. I know plenty of "old school" drift fans that not only enjoy, but welcome D1 an Formula D. You sound like those people that say racing at the track is for wussies because you can race all night long on the street, regardless of human life.....thas just my opinion!

I'm not sure, but didn't you go to Irwindale for D1 1viadrft???

[1viadrft]

I did go to D1... and yes, it was fun for the first year or so! But I am now seeing the repercussions of world-wide popularity. I love STREET/TOUGE racing and drifting... but it's STUPID when you and a million friends do it! Was there that many problems with street racing 15yrs ago before a certain movie came out? Nope!

There were tons of 'small' get-togethers at small tracks before D1 even dreamed of cashing in! I'm not so sure the same 'fans' you are talking about are the same people I know...

[Soyo]

1via, your an idiot

you don't like the D1GP, Formula D, or Media attention? you think its bad for drifting? how dumb can you be?

ok lets say no one ever got into drag racing, there were no championships, never on tv, etc. do you think that all te products and companies would be here today? do you think records would be as high as they are today? do you think the sport would have any credibility? NO thats why attention is good, positive attention causes manufacture of better products specifically designed for that type of event, attention gives a broder range of ideas and more people join in, making better competition and more variety... without interest the sport would die, few people would do it, not enough consumers would buy products, they'd be discontinued or never even made, therefore giving you less quality and selection. now tell me again why drifting getting recognition is bad

I'm not a huge fan of domestic cars drifting, mostly because untill resently most domestic owners just thought a big smoky donut or spinning your tires through a little curve was cool and they never really knew how to do the big drifts back to back and such. now they are learning this stuff, and thats making the import scene step up even more as to not get shown up in the sport they started...

I honestly believe that imports will dominate the sport for some time now, but domestics will be going at them plenty and giving them a run for their money.


and on a final note, don't act like a moderator can't flame you, insult you, scream, and yell at you like any other member would. although I think I can do it better than most of them... but thats just my opinion

Good Day

EDIT: oh yea, and I can't see the pictures

[Layla's Keeper]

1via, have you ever truly been involved with an "underground" motorsport? I crewed and assisted in the design of an ISMA supermodified, a sanctioning body and type of race car you've probably never heard of, and I know what "underground" equals.

Underground motorsport equals dying motorsport.

A supermodified is a highly specialized open wheel short track race car, regional to upstate New York, northern Ohio, and portions of Michigan, Indiana, and New England. There is no televised coverage for the series, no manufacturer of chassis (all chassis are hand built and no two are exactly alike, even chassis jig mates tend to have variation between them), engines (methanol fueled 468ci Chevy big blocks with mechanical fuel injection) are hideously expensive and there are only 4 or 5 engine builders around (three that actually build good engines), purses are small (to the point where winning won't cover the fuel and tire bill for the night), and young talent that runs the series gets caught in a dead end instead of moving up to faster and more prominent series.

That's what "underground" gets you. You get a cult audience, a few dozen diehard participants, and you get to watch your form of motorsport wither and die on the vine.

Even if you dislike the professional drifting series the SCCA has set up, you have to respect that the attention goes towards keeping the sport alive and growing. Not to mention the SCCA is also, in conjunction with Formula Drift, organizing drifting schools and amateur events at tracks they sanction across the states. Tracks like Watkins Glen, Mid-Ohio, Elkhart Lake, Laguna Seca (imagine Formula Drift attacking the Corkscrew ), Sears Point, Barber, VIR, and so on.

The media attention on the pros means money and attention for the amateurs as well. It means respect, acceptance, and organization for all drifters. It means drifting won't become the next ISMA, or D.I.R.T big block modifieds, or Main Event super latemodels, or any other number of slowly departing racing series.

And, if you must know, the whole reason I support domestics and european cars in drifting is because I sometimes think I'll puke if I see one more Nissan 240SX/Silvia/Sil-Eighty/Onevia in coverage of drift events. I always give kudos for originality.

[Soyo]

is this the guy that won?
http://drift411.com/modules.php?set_...view_photo.php

then I'm guessing this was second place or something
http://drift411.com/modules.php?set_...view_photo.php

[Layla's Keeper]

Nope, those are the judges cars. The Viper is Tarzan's and the S14 is Yamamoto's.

Here is Hubinette's Viper.
http://www.drift411.com/modules.php?...view_photo.php

[mastermerc]

personally i thought both vipers (mopar and benihana0 were awesome my complaint is that in the first round they put the two racers together i would have liked to see in the finals. Alex Pheiffer and Hubinette should have been in the finals and the 86 would have won. or at any rate passed the viper around the turn regardless of the 300 hp diff.

[joebowlr21]

Even the Drift King, though a judge on D1, encourages people to go to sanctioned drift events or tracks to practice there style. Why, because there's something called control, plus pro's are there to help you advance and give you tips on how to drive better.

[flylwsi]

underground is the way to go, huh?
riiight.

there weren't many people street racing until those movies came out?
what rock were you hiding under?
the movies didn't start it, they just showcased it.

before d1 cashed in on it?
drifting is too big, and will fail?
yeah, corporate sponsorships and money are the two things that KILL a racing series...

rally racing, as big as it is, had to start somewhere. people thought it was dumb, like you do.
so they obviously stopped rallying, right?

I love STREET/TOUGE racing and drifting... but it's STUPID when you and a million friends do it!

and you obviously like tickets for reckless driving, right?

it's one thing to do it, but it's another to condone it, and prefer it to a safe environment where you don't run the risk of HURTING PEOPLE.

[1viadrft]

Ho-hum.... and I supposse no one gets injured at the track... what a magical place!

Don't you agree there are tons more people out street-racing and drifting than ever? Why is that?

Yes... I love the illegal stuff! But I only like it when it's me and a couple of buddys around. WE know more or less what we are doing... unlike the army of 16 yr. olds running rampant... sorry, to burst anyone's bubble, but I'm not injuring anyone and I have as much as a chance as injuring myself or someone else as I would the track. Believe it or not... I take every precaution. Not saying it's the best thing ever... I'm not even condoning it! I agree... you guys should go to the track... where you can be professionally supervised. Just not my cup o' tea. No offense is meant by this, flylwsi... you are one of the few I respect out here. You can't tell me you do not indulge in street-racing either....


Oh... BTW, I love RALLY! It's not as popular as drifting however (In the US anyway)! This is like saying: Oh F1 and NASCAR is popular! But how many dorks do you see trying to mimic these guys on the roads? My main concern is that DRIFTING is becoming too mainstream... it's the same deal that happend with the SpoCom scene.

[flylwsi]

saying you love street racing and illegal drifting sounds like condoning it to me...

i've never participated in organized street racing. ever.
most of the time, i get into it with someone on the freeway, and that's it.

you take every precaution, but you don't control the other people driving where you are (not your friends).

yes, people get hurt at the track...
but when was the last time you were at a track event where there WASN'T a fully prepped medical staff on site?

[1viadrft]

I guess you are right about the track, fly... but I am careful. I only 'race' where I know there are no other souls for at least a few hours. Condoning? It's only condoning if these guys are weak-minded enough to follow what I say...

Never participated in organized street racing? Suuure, buddy! I got ya, I got ya! :wink-wink: But racing on the Freeway is probably worse than me racing in the secluded mountain roads, my friend.

[flylwsi]

never participated in organized street racing.
why is that so hard to believe?
at least on the freeway, i can see what's around me, as opposed to finding out what's coming up/down the mountain, the hard way...

neither case is better, but...

[1viadrft]

Just shaddup now, fly...

LoL

[flylwsi]

believe what you'd like...
my outlook on illegal ANYTHING with a car isn't all that lovely...

it's one thing to do it, but it's another to condone/love it (illegal)...

i like my automotive activity like i like my women... legal... if just barely....