Battle of the bastards

[WHaaaaaa]

:smoker2: :sun: :grey: arialIt depends on what u want it for and where u live ?

With places with alot of curves i would get the rx7 r2 tt
with places with alot of straightaways i would get tha skyline r34 or supra tt

[Gonthrax]

I'd much rather have the sure footed, ATTESSA shod R34 under me in the curves then somthing with only 2 drive wheels. Sure the gtr is quick in a straight line, but it really shines in the twisties.

The fearsome nurburgring in Germany is a very twister track the Skyline holds the fastest lap time for a production car which is under 8 minutes

He speaks the truth

[Nxtyoung]

It was a split between the supra tt and the skyline for me. I chosse the Supra in the end because of the left side stearing. i also like the way the supras look better.

[NB8CT]

Originally posted by Razorgtst
Actually on the dyno the R33 and R32 produced nearly identical power figures in standard trim.

Anyone claiming the R33 is faster has no idea what they are talking about. The R33 is heavier and a slightly wider wheel base and body. There for more power is needed to achieve the same acceleration. The R33 does have a slightly stronger block as Nissan discovered that the early model R32's had a flaw and tended to crack between the #4 and #3 cylinder walls when pushed extremely hard ie: over 40 psi of boost. The R33 and later model R32's had a more refined ATTESSA systems which makes for better acceleration off the line.

There have been aruguments of single and twin turbo set ups for years. The top cars in Japan all run a twin turbo setup, even the mighty Vailside and HKS street/drag cars. They are massive turbos also. The hp figures are insane for an engine under 3 liters in capacity. HKS managed to squeeze over 1600 bhp on a dyno before the motor snapped the titainium con-rods on the dyno. I don't have all the figures on that motor but from what our HKS distributor said they were running over 47psi of boost on race gas and the motor was still making hp at a rapid rate when it let go! That is purely insane!

Thats what I thought, are the R33GTR & R32GTR stock engines indentical, even down to the a/r trim on the turbos?? Also how did they change the ATTESSA on the later R32s? One more, on the above mentioned high horsepower twin turbo car (i dont know about stock either) is each turbo creating 23.5 psi, or is one turbo larger and that one is creating the entire 47psi??

[tofstchvy]

They seem to be split 50/50 around here on the single or twin. My local tuner Joule loves using the T-51 kai on all of his cars. The hks r33 had a t51kai on it at the last race of the yr. But Mr Kawasaki said they are always changing parts and trying different combos on it as it is mainly an exhibition car now.

Originally posted by Razorgtst

There have been aruguments of single and twin turbo set ups for years. The top cars in Japan all run a twin turbo setup, even the mighty Vailside and HKS street/drag cars. They are massive turbos also. The hp figures are insane for an engine under 3 liters in capacity. HKS managed to squeeze over 1600 bhp on a dyno before the motor snapped the titainium con-rods on the dyno. I don't have all the figures on that motor but from what our HKS distributor said they were running over 47psi of boost on race gas and the motor was still making hp at a rapid rate when it let go! That is purely insane!

[RazorGTR]

Boost is measured at the plenum. There for it does not matter whether it is twin or single turbo configuration. In a twin turbo it would depend if they are sequencial or parralle. Parralle both turbos would need to produce the same boost level, IE both producing 30psi to achieve 30psi. The problem with sequencial turbo charging is the primary is smaller to spool quicker in order to reduce lag that the secondary or larger turbo will have. It also has a nasty tendency to over boost and or spool and shit themselves under high boost situations. The Subaru Legacy GT twin turbo is a prime example of this.

The GTR uses parralle turbo charging where each turbo is fed by three cylinders. Draw backs to this when changing from the factory turbo set up or when one becomes week is one turbo must now work harder to make up for the weaker one or the one this not balanced as well or flow as well. You will get surge at various rpm levels and that should be taken notice of straight away.

HKS when it set the all time ET record for a 4wd car was running a twin turbo set up. The turbos were custom made by HKS or for HKS and are not for sale. There was a very good write up in one of the Import mags but cant remember the bloody name. I read it while at a friends house. I believe it was High Performance Imports but don't quote me on it. It also made that pass with 9" wide slicks at all four corners and still has uses the factory frame work, no tubular chassis. For the ECU HKS uses the factory Nissan one with a shit load of piggy back systems for the engine and other various systems they run on the car. That is another reason I am not totally sold on the Power FC, Link, Motec, bla bla bla aftermarket ECU's. If they were so damn good then HKS would use them.

[Gonthrax]

And what about the Veilside R32, 0-300km/hr in what, 13 sec? That damn thing goes 0-100km/hr in like 2.7. Thank god for ATTESSA and that crazy traction off the line

[Psman32@af]

looks like im one of a few who voted for the viper. Yes turbo's are nice and four wheel drive is nice, but its not my favorite OEM. Personally, id take the torque curve of a pushrod V10 over the power and handling of any skyline. Also, as much as i like sharp edges, i am still baised towards sleek designs like the current viper and the 2002 GT40. I would love to have either of these cars someday.

[Gonthrax]

Hey the 02 GT40s are very very nice.
*rushes to the rescue as no other local Picwores have come to the scene yet.

[YogsVR4]

Let me stand up for the true winner - the Viper. I know the net people all salivate over the Skyline and its potential. But the Viper not only has more in it stock, the potential surpases the rest hands down. TNT, Hennesy and others have modded these cars just like others have with the Skyline and they produce astonomic numbers that translate to sub 8 second runs and 0-60 in sub three seconds. The agruements over mod to mod can go on forever since there is always another you can do. The Viper starts out the winner and can go mod to mod and stay there.

[RiceRocket]

Originally posted by YogsVR4
Let me stand up for the true winner - the Viper. I know the net people all salivate over the Skyline and its potential. But the Viper not only has more in it stock, the potential surpases the rest hands down. TNT, Hennesy and others have modded these cars just like others have with the Skyline and they produce astonomic numbers that translate to sub 8 second runs and 0-60 in sub three seconds. The agruements over mod to mod can go on forever since there is always another you can do. The Viper starts out the winner and can go mod to mod and stay there.

I agree because the viper is a friggin monster... the thing has so many cylinders i'm surprised it couldn't fly.


anyway, if we were to keep things stock i think the NSX would be a good choice for the track. I've seen NSX's beat other cars on the track (including the GTR & Supra) when it came to curves, other cars gain on the straight line.

But i think for the fun of it... the NSX would be more fun to modify since it's not superfast stock and there's so much stuff you can do to it. What's the fun of getting an already superfast monster and adding a cheesy hyperwhite and say you made it superfast!

Most of the cars like GTR are already fast from the factory and are just downgraded by the manufacturer to meet their local laws like nissan putting a chip on their GTR to make it go 290HP instead of the full blown power... so no challenge at all.

:o

[Nxtyoung]

What's the fun of getting an already superfast monster and adding a cheesy hyperwhite and say you made it superfast!

The point isnt to keep them Stock. The point is to take the already insain power and to add on. I feel sorry for the person who buys a GTR or a Supra and dosent trick it out. It also pisses me off. I also agree that Vipers are nice But with all that available power no one (that I know about) has made them as fast as the GTR or the Supras have. I also dont like the way the latest Vipers look.

[fearless_simian]

I have a little comment to make. last weekend i went test driving cars. went to an acura dealer and tried some of their vehicles. the new rsx is nice i will deifnately say, not quite the same as some other cars but handles well. but the real wonder was they had a brand new 2002 acura nsx sitting inside. when i saw it i was floored. but i have to say something. I think that car would be very very difficult to mod. It is already tuned very nicely to run so smoothly and fast and handle well and so much more. the engine compartment in that car is barely accesible and it is the tightest thing i have ever seen. I woul dlove to have that beast but i think it woul dbe hard to improve upon the stock and i think it might not be the best thin gto do anyway. also, who has the money to properly mod a $90,000 car. my god it was beautiful.

[Psman32@af]

Originally posted by Nxtyoung


The point isnt to keep them Stock. The point is to take the already insain power and to add on. I feel sorry for the person who buys a GTR or a Supra and dosent trick it out. It also pisses me off. I also agree that Vipers are nice But with all that available power no one (that I know about) has made them as fast as the GTR or the Supras have. I also dont like the way the latest Vipers look.

ok, im a little confused here, are you saying that youve never seen any Viper match how fast a GTR or a Supra is? Are you talking straight line speed or what? If your not, please don't tell me that you think that modded street legal GTR's and Supra's are faster than modded street legal Vipers.

[Nxtyoung]

Sorry i wasnt clear. I was talking about races. Not street legal. I have seen faster GTR's on the track (not quarter mile) that are faster than the Vipers. If their are faster Vipers I would love to see them.