time to get serious about my turbo

[DeleriousZ]

i see, so just a set of some hot wires and cold plugs and i'm good to go? i'm assuming that the stock distributor will do fine

[racerex]

Yeah, that should do it. I would definately recommend getting a new set of wires, but oem honda wires will work fine. Then run a step colder on your plugs and you're good to go.

[DeleriousZ]

excellent... any idea what the "coldness" is on the stock plugs are on a b18c1?

[racerex]

Honestly I can't really remember, but if you go to a parts store and tell them what motor it is and that you want a step colder they'll have no problem getting them for you.
It seems like stock are a 6 or 7.

[DeleriousZ]

alright, i've been pricing some stuff out on a few websites.. and this is what i've come up with so far...
T3/T04 ball bearing turbo (not too sure what brand yet) --- turbotenics/garrett $2000 usd
27x6.5x3" rev hard stage 2 intercooler
aem ems $1650 cad
greddy profec-b boost controller 370 usd
apexi auto timer 101 usd
autometer lunar boost guage 89 usd
" cobalt series air fuel ratio 72 usd
bov (most likely hks super sequential) 180 usd
turbonetics T40mm tial wastegate Evolution 204 usd
custom made stainless steel exhaust mani, most likely ceramic coated 200 cad
new plugs (heat stage 6) 75 usd
new wire set (blitz) 180 usd
skunk 2 intake mani 331 usd
a'pex auto timer with built in a/f monitor 90 usd
440 cc injectors 304 +40 for wire clips usd
in-tank fuel pump 275 usd
aem fuel rail 125 usd
aem fuel filter 89 usd
3" downpipe into 3" exhaust 400 cad
9.0:1 cr pistons(suggestions?)
eagle extreme duty H-Beam rods 300 usd
port/polish head (most likely done at home with buddy that's a machinist) 20 cad
new cam's was thinking skunk 2 stage 2 796 usd
clutchmaster's stage 1 clutch kit 355 usd
clutchmaster's aluminum flywheel 7.5 lbs (too light? what's a good weight?) 219 usd
all this crazy stuff on a 97ish (getting engine swap) b18c1 engine with lsd tranny (easier to just buy in parts?)
fpr req?
fuel pressure guage req?
total without pistons and engine swap and intercooler: 7953 usd... 10500 cad-ish... YIKES

i e-mailed the rev-hard site about the intercooler but they haven't mailed me back yet.. prolly cause it's a weekend.
as for the block and stuff, what do you guys suggest doing.. going to a scrap yard and ripping out a block from a wrecked gsr and parting up from there.. or doing the engine swap thing?

[racerex]

Ouch, that's a lot of money to spend. Try www.cheapturbos.com and you should be able to find what you're looking for more along the lines of 500-600 us. Plugs should only be like $10-15 at the most and if you find yourself short on cash a lot of those things will not be necesary to get you up and running but would be nice to have later on (intake mani, fuel rail & filter, cams, flywheel) and the fpr is not necesary but would be nice to have from the beginning.

[DeleriousZ]

yeah i suppose it is quite a bit of money.. but when you think about it... a car that's about 21000ish after mods beating a 100,000 car... i'd say it's worth it eh?

are the turbo's on that site ball bearing? that's pretty cheap if they are

for the plugs, that's the set of 4..
well i'm getting not getting everything at once.. going to get the engine, rip it apart, do all the internal work, reassemble the block/head, then do as much of the aftermarket part replacement as i can when the engine is still out.. that way the car's down time is only like 2 weeks for dropping in the engine, doing all the clutch/tranny work, assembling the turbo and all that good stuff

[boosted331]

Originally Posted by Delerious93integra

alright, i've been pricing some stuff out on a few websites.. and this is what i've come up with so far...
T3/T04 ball bearing turbo (not too sure what brand yet) --- turbotenics/garrett $2000 usd
27x6.5x3" rev hard stage 2 intercooler
aem ems $1650 cad
greddy profec-b boost controller 370 usd
apexi auto timer 101 usd
autometer lunar boost guage 89 usd
" cobalt series air fuel ratio 72 usd
bov (most likely hks super sequential) 180 usd
turbonetics T40mm tial wastegate Evolution 204 usd
custom made stainless steel exhaust mani, most likely ceramic coated 200 cad
new plugs (heat stage 6) 75 usd
new wire set (blitz) 180 usd
skunk 2 intake mani 331 usd
a'pex auto timer with built in a/f monitor 90 usd
440 cc injectors 304 +40 for wire clips usd
in-tank fuel pump 275 usd
aem fuel rail 125 usd
aem fuel filter 89 usd
3" downpipe into 3" exhaust 400 cad
9.0:1 cr pistons(suggestions?)
eagle extreme duty H-Beam rods 300 usd
port/polish head (most likely done at home with buddy that's a machinist) 20 cad
new cam's was thinking skunk 2 stage 2 796 usd
clutchmaster's stage 1 clutch kit 355 usd
clutchmaster's aluminum flywheel 7.5 lbs (too light? what's a good weight?) 219 usd
all this crazy stuff on a 97ish (getting engine swap) b18c1 engine with lsd tranny (easier to just buy in parts?)
fpr req?
fuel pressure guage req?
total without pistons and engine swap and intercooler: 7953 usd... 10500 cad-ish... YIKES

i e-mailed the rev-hard site about the intercooler but they haven't mailed me back yet.. prolly cause it's a weekend.
as for the block and stuff, what do you guys suggest doing.. going to a scrap yard and ripping out a block from a wrecked gsr and parting up from there.. or doing the engine swap thing?

Yikes, a lot of stuff to go through on here. For starters, 2000 for a turbo is way too much to spend. Ball bearing turbos are overrated, plain and simple. Am I running one? Yes. Do I feel it helped with spool? Yes. Are you going to have a problem spooling a fairly small T3/TO4E that is non ball bearing? No. With that being said, go buy a T3/TO4E off cheapturbo.com and run with it. I'd stay away from turbonetics stuff, their customer service is shaky at best.

AEM EMS is good (don't know where you're gonna get it for 1650 Canadian though), don't waste your money on the boost control (AEM has one built in) don't waste your money on a turbo timer, don't waste your money on an autometer air/fuel gauge (it runs off the stock narrowband sensor, which is totally worthless for tuning your car or watching for a lean condition), GET AN OIL PRESSURE GAUGE AND A FUEL PRESSURE GAUGE! I would rank both of those ahead of boost pressure, as you can have the AEM datalog boost and set a parameter to pull timing and add fuel if boost spikes above X amount, so it isn't a critical gauge to have. You could tell the AEM to open a circuit thats connected to a little buzzer when oil pressure drops below X amount, but it would be easier to just run an oil pressure gauge and keep tabs on it.

For a wastegate i'd run a tial 38MM, they are better quality than turbonetics stuff. I don't know where the hell you are going to get a stainless steel turbo manifold that is ceramic coated for 200 bucks Canadian, but plan on budgeting around 450 bucks USD for a good cast mani like the inline pro. If you're going to get an intake manifold, go find a used victorX off of ebay or on another honda site or something, it's well worth it over the skunk2, which is basically an ITR intake. I'd run bigger injectors than 440's (especially if you're considering new pistons and rods, which tells me you want to make a lot more power than 440's can support), fuel pump sounds good (a walbro 255 works fine), fuel rail and filter are fine, 3" downpipe is good, for pistons every major maker is good, although my favorites are CP and wiseco. I wouldn't have your buddy hack up your head in his garage with a dremel, more than likely all he is going to accomplish is majorly hogging out your intake port, destroying all port velocity and swirl, and causing a hefty loss in low end power. If you want a ported head, take it to a professional porter, otherwise leave it stock, it'll make more power. Whatever you do, DO NOT get those cams. Yes, cams with a bit more duration than the stock Vtec cams work well with turbos and will make lots of power, but will the skunk2 stage 2 cams? NO! They have duration @ .050 of nearly 270 degrees, which means a ton of overlap, and likely lost power over stock GSR, ITR, or crower turbo cams. With that being said, keep the stock GSR's, and don't forget to spend money on valvetrain upgrades. Don't worry about getting a new flywheel, but it's hard to say on your clutch choice. I would probably recommend going with a more powerful clutch, but it's hard to save because you havn't listed a power goal. Some parts you are thinking of getting are telling me 400+ horsepower (IE: new pistons, rods, an AEM, etc) and then other parts tell me I just want a mild car (440's, clutch, IC, etc).

Since you're in Canada, if you're buying shit from the states, don't forget to include duty fees. Duty can be as high as 40% on some things, so it helps to buy stuff from in country if possible. My recommendation on how to set yourself out for a project is take the amount of time and money you think you're going to put into it, double it, and you should be set. Not trying to scare you, but things usually do end up costing you twice as much and taking twice as long as you originally set out for. With your list you didn't put in any of the small stuff that always nickle and dimes you to death. Shipping costs, taxes, small fittings, lines, hoses, labour, tuning, etc.

[racerex]

^^^^^-what he said.

oh, and I meant $15 for all four plugs. I've never heard of 4 plugs costing $75 before.

[DeleriousZ]

yeah wow... YIKES about says it all.. ok starting from the top...
if i were to go with a turbo from cheapturbo.com, say the .48 a/r turbine and .60 comp. housing.. what rpm would you say that would spool at?
i can find the aem ems on e-bay(god forbid) for 1650.. that's without shipping tho... for the boost control.. would there be any quick way to shift between low and high boost? say 7 psi to 15 at the touch of a button? the oil pressure guage sounds like a good idea, as does the fuel pressure guage.. but i'm prettymuch stuck on the boost guage (going love watching the thing hop up to 15 psi*situation permitting*) for tuning the ems.. i really hope i can find a GOOD tuner around these parts... import parts shops seem to be scarce.. so it doesn't look like it would be easy to find a good tuner.

you suggest a 38mm wastegate? i thought it was better to run a 40mm above 1 bar? for the manifold.. i'm going to have my buddy that used to work in a welding shop, and now works in a machine shop to build one for me, using some designs i got off the internet, the 200 was just a guess tho.. i need to find out how much it is going to cost to get it coated. intake manifold: will do research to see what you're talking about. for the injectors.. i didn't have much of a clue what size to use.. so i just threw out the 440cc number cause' that seemed to be the most common(please don't hate me) for the fuel pump/filter/rail that's cool. i read a diy. article on polishing, looked to be pretty easy.. i'm not going to do any enlarging, just clean out all the sharp little edges left on the head when it was constructed. again with the cams i don't have much idea what i'm talking about.. just tossed em in there because someone said i needed aftermarket cams(again.. please don't hate me). valvetrain upgrades would be the rods and springs? anything to do with seals as well? with the clutch i was hoping not to have to go with a 6 or less puck configuration, as it is too 'clunkey' i was hoping to stay with some sort of street performance that can hold a good amount of power. right now i'm not really at a hp goal... just kind of put together a really strong engine and go from there... 400+ hp is a HELL of a lot for a fwd car.. especially a light (relatively) integra. all the prices on the list are just for reference really, kind of figuring out how long it's going to take me to save up for all this stuff, since i start working full time in the summer with low cost living expenses (living at home w00t w00t) i was thinking i could have the engine by end of summer, maybe a bit more.

the time used to assemble the engine is not crucial, as my car will still be running when the block is ripped to pieces.. how does this work you ask? rebuilding engine when it's sitting on the stand in my garage after i've got as much as possible assembled, i'll o/c the car and drop the engine in.. hopefully the installation of the engine and turbo kit will take about 2 weeks of solid work on weekends and after work. i'm hoping that all of the labour will done by me, but the tuning is going to cost me a pretty penny, granted i can actually find a good one.

i really appreciate all your help, that was probably the most informational post directed towards me ever. again.. thanks

[DeleriousZ]

$15 for all plugs? really? all the sites i go to have em really pricey.. maybe i'm looking in the wrong place... maybe it's the temp. rating... who knows

[Socalraceclub/SKP]

Originally Posted by Delerious93integra

ok, the time is coming to get serious about my turbo install.. here's what i'm thinking....
T3/T04 turbo (not too sure what brand yet)
27x6.5x3" rev hard stage 2 intercooler
aem ems
greddy profec-b boost controller
bov (most likely hks sequential)
wastegate (t40 or something like that.. can't remember, too tired)
aem cdi ignition system
custom made stainless steel exhaust mani, most likely ceramic coated
440 cc injectors
new plugs (not sure how much colder i have to go)
new wire set (still looking at which brand to go with)
jg edelbrock intake mani
a'pex auto timer with built in a/f monitor
whew this hurts my head
3" downpipe into either 3" exhaust or dual 2.25" exhaust
grounding kit required???
wow is that it? there's gotta be more.. oh right
9.0:1 cr pistons(suggestions?)
new rods (suggestions?)
port/polish head (most likely done at home with buddy that's a machinist)
new cam's with turbo configuration... still no idea which to get
random technology high flow cat (to stay somewhat close to street legal grr!!)
all this crazy stuff on a 97ish (getting engine swap) b18c1 engine
i'm sure i've messed up brutally somewhere... care to help me out anyone?

Help real quick and return th favor

[DeleriousZ]

skp that car looks pretty sweet... what do u want help with?

[Socalraceclub/SKP]

Originally Posted by Delerious93integra

skp that car looks pretty sweet... what do u want help with?

i just need to sell it because i need the money the down payment for the shop my partner are opening within the next month. She has two other shops, St. Louis, and TX. and so here i wait.

[DeleriousZ]

hmm, was just looking... think it'd be a good idea to get a block guard?