For everyone interested in TURBOING AN RS/GS OR TALON ESI!!!

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by 2pntslow

yeah...what size core/dementions are good for a FMIC for turboing the gs/rs?
thanks

any size will work the best and cheapest would probably be a SMIC, but if you want a FMIC go with something small, like 22x6x2.5, that will work fine!

[EclipseRST]

ok... sorry guys i've just been busy lately with the GST and when i'm on here i over looked the threads at the top...

ok for the manifold... you can go spend 4-500 dollars on one from a performance place or go by a turbo manifold for around $50 and spend a couple hours making your own... what i do is take your old n/t manifold and cut off the flange the bolts to the cylinder head... then you need to cut all the mounting holes off the turbo manifold cause they get into the way, then place the n/t flange over the turbo flange and weld it together, works like a charm! then grind a little, and weld it again so you know there is no leaks and it wont come apart on you... then you can paint it with a high temp paint, i usually use black! if someone is interested in doin this and doesnt have the tools or anything... i can make them for $100 + parts and shipping both ways...and thats usually about $15 each way... so you send me around $115-120 and both manifolds and it wont be a problem!

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by Reckage

when you say both manifolds you mean intake and exhaust right? and also u only do this if your ready to put in the turbo kit and all right? And where am i getting this turbo header from i saw it in that custom turbo lit article

no i both manifolds i mean the both Exhaust manifolds, like the turbo manifold and the n/t manifold!

i'm located in Winona, MN zipcode is 55987

you can find a turbo manifold at a junkyard, ebay, dsmtrader, dsmtuners... there are a lot of places that people sell them!

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by Reckage

would 7-10 ps1 get me aound 300 hp thats my goal just 300 hp

haha yea right... if you want 300hp you might as well replace your whole engine like i did! then your looking at atleast 2500-3k in engine upgrades! so its up to you, if you are not good with motor work, you would be better off getting a different car (already turboed) cause my skill with engines made it easier and more affordable for me! labor costs are a bitch!!! so for basic steps on that:

Complete rebuild of motor with upgraded parts
fuel system
turbo


your looking at atleast 4k depending on the deals you get just to hit 300hp!!! its not cheap! and its not easy either... if you have never worked on a motor or you have no clue what most of the things in your engine bay are and what they do, turboing your car is not for you! unless you pay someone for labor to do it... shit for the right price, i would come to your house and do all the work if you want! trust me when i say this... its not a weekend job... its more like a 2-3 week job seeing how you have to get you block bored and honed and your head gone thru to make sure its all good, disassembled, then reassembled with the new parts, then you have to put everything back in the car!

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by helliviknow

so i can really run my stock ecu? or did i take that wrong.. and for the afc.. what would you recomend as far as brand and were to buy it? and yes if i sound idiodic im new to the whole force feeding thing hah

yes you can use your stock ECU and the AFC... i like Apexi S-AFC II just cause its so much better than the regular S-AFC

[aaronh2005]

well as some of you might have heard i have piston slap in my talon esi. i am wondering on what i should do, both performance and cost effective wise. heres a few options: replace the internals on the engine and buy the turbo kit and install or put a gst engine in there. money is a problem here. either way i have to do something about the engine in the car. i was talkin to my dad about it (im still in college) and he said i should either redo the entire engine or buy a new one. my reasoning is that if i do the entire engine then i am spending a bunch of money for the initial repair plus the turbo kit stuff. meanwhile replacing the engine with a GST engine would seem feasible. i know that i would need a new ECU or computer in the car, but what would u recommend and if i chose to do the engine swap, what else would i need to swap it correctly?

thank you very much
aaron

[helliviknow]

from what i know swaping to a 4g63 isnt only a engine. im not sure but i think the swap includes a new tranny, and driveline too. the whole setup for non turbo is chrysler and turbos are all mitsu. if i were in your place i would either rebuild the 420a or find a new 420a to put in it. im not sure thats the way it works sum 1 else jump in on that but yeah, i know the swaps are complicated. but whatever u cide to do gl wit it

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by helliviknow

hey rst.. when u make the turbo manifolds u just switch the header flange right? i was wonderin if you could attach a 420a flange to a header style turbo manifold. for example heres one from ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...category=33631

and the flange welded to the header style manifold... yea it would work but its a waste of money and personally i think if you port out the stock manifold it would flow way better!!!

[95GSTRaCeR]

If I remember right the 2g bov leaks at somewhere around 10-11 psi, the 1g is way better.

Hey Jake, got a question for ya. How much boost can the 420A handle with internals upgraded, and all supporting mods? This kid is saying that his 420A can handle up to 27 psi, but he is only running 5 (if it can handle 27, I dont understand why he is only running 5). I dont doubt that a properly built 420A can handle 27 but I just wanted to verify what he has been saying.

[EclipseRST]

oh sorry i didnt see someone had posted...

anyways i'm really not sure on how much the motor can handle... so far i have got it to 22psi on race gas with 0 knock... i want to push it more but the clutch is gone on it and an oil line broke, and at the current moment i am working on the GST to get that on the road again cause i just did a tranny swap and a finger from the pressure plate came off and bent the shit out of the clutch fork... so the RST is down for the summer while i am working on make the GST faster and selling it!

as for stock i did 15psi of boost when it blew... i wouldnt push more than 12psi on race gas! i kept mine around 7-10psi for daily driving!

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by 95GSTRaCeR

ic. I know he has upgraded internals but I dont think that he has done to much extensively(dont know for sure though). Correct me if I am wrong but wouldnt it take alot for it to handle 27 psi?

well the way i see it is i could probably run 27psi right now but not for long periods of time cause i would kill my motor! he would need serious motor work to run that much boost! thats quite a bit of power he would be putting out and there would be quite a bit of money wrapped up in his car!

[95GSTRaCeR]

well from what you have said I dont see how he could be running that high of boost, because like you said he would be putting out alot of power and my friends watched him get smoked by a 4 door corrolla. I havent got a chance to check out his setup yet. Another thing he has been telling me is that my gst cant be putting out that much power because I am running a MBC instead of a EBC. He says that MBC's leak because they are ball and spring and that EBC's wont because they use solenoids. I dont really know about that being true either being that I have pressure tested the thing up to 25 psi, and it wasnt leaking. When I pointed this out to him, he didnt have anything to say except that they all leak.

[Reckage]

what is the difference between an internal/external wastegate, is any better or do they depend on your application, also what is their purpose

[HotCrew]

Internal wastegate is installed in the turbo set up it self and the external wastegate is a separate unit. The purpose of a wastegate is to regulate the amount of boost...

The internal wastegate is setup that on the exhaust side there is a little valve and the wastegate opens it and lets exhaust gas flow directly out to the exhaust system or it stays closed and the gas is used to charge the air and spin the turbo...Correct me if i am wrong

[EclipseRST]

Originally Posted by mikep1117

do i have to do all the mods you said to put a evoIII turbo on my eclipse gs and do i have to do anything to the map sensor

with all those mods you can put the evo 16g on your GS... although you will only be able to run 10psi of boost tops! if you want more boost you must replace everything in your engine... and no you can leave the Map sensor alone... just get a S-AFC to take care of the air/fuel ratio!