need info an turboing a 95 talon esi

[exe2000]

what parts do i have to get to make my talon turbo please i need to feel a turbo in my car

[drewh4386]

The info you need is at the top of the page.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...lay.php?f=1470

or go here for direct access

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=200222

[djtrickee]

Those posts listed are highly inaccurate and grossly misleading.
For factual information and a well-respected user base head over to http://forums.2gnt.com. There are over 8000 members there with 2g non-turbo'ed eclipses and a large portion have added aftermarket/custom turbo setups to produce some respectable numbers. The information provided in those threads above is more than inaccurate, it is dangerous. Providing misleading and costly information to the masses is sad, just sad.

Its demeaning to the whole dsm/2gnt crowd.

[drewh4386]

Originally Posted by djtrickee

Those posts listed are highly inaccurate and grossly misleading.
For factual information and a well-respected user base head over to http://forums.2gnt.com. There are over 8000 members there with 2g non-turbo'ed eclipses and a large portion have added aftermarket/custom turbo setups to produce some respectable numbers. The information provided in those threads above is more than inaccurate, it is dangerous. Providing misleading and costly information to the masses is sad, just sad.

Its demeaning to the whole dsm/2gnt crowd.

why don't you hold his hand and walk him across the street too? He came here.

Mis leading you say? I don't know if it is or not but if Jake says so then it is.

That was just there to give INFO on turboing.

Demeaning? According to the write-up, alot of people now have turbo'd rs/gs/esi's

There is info here in other stickies to turbo your car, but he didn't look.

[djtrickee]

While I may be new here, I am not new to the eclipse, more specifically the non-turbo'ed 420a engine.
I attempted to respond to that pinned thread at the top but its not allowing me to so I will post here what I had to say there. In demeaning I meant that such gross inaccuracies will lead the uninformed (not uneducated) down an expensive and fruitless path. That kind of reporting of misinformation makes all tuners, and specifically those interested in mitsu's look bad. Very bad.
I hope that that 6 page thread was aimed at possibly turbo'ing a non- turbo'ed 4g63 motor, and the author was merely confused by titling it with RS and GS and ESI.


Here is what I was posting:
Man, I can't believe I just waded through 6 pages of misinformation and straight up lies.

that is NOT how to turbo a n/a, non-turbo-ed, RS, GS, ESI car. Period.

facts are facts, and that information is completely and utterly false and horribly inaccurate. wow. I can't believe it.

There are so many things wrong with what is said that I won't even get into it all.

the 4g63 (gst, gsx) is a mitsubishi motor.

the 420a (RS, GS, esi) is a Chrysler motor, shared with many other "american" cars ie- the avenger, and neon.

You cant just throw 1g/4g63 injectors in, they are low impedance injectors whereas the 420a uses high impedance injectors.

You can't just splice in a 4g63 ecu, you cant even swap ecus from different year 420a's. They are incompatible to say the least. Might as well try and splice in a nissan or ferrari ECU. same difference. Different motors, different manufacturers, hell even different countries.

You cant just throw in a turbo without some sort of fuel management. IE- FMU, SFMU, Megasquirt etc. The stock fuel system uses a stock fuel pump and a "locked" stock FPR(fuel pressure regulator) at approx. 55 psi. You need to be able to raise the fuel pressure with the added boost conditions. More air= more fuel. simple.

The SAFC is NOT a fuel management ideal for the 420a motor. You can easily cut fuel with it, but not ADD fuel. Why? you may ask? Well simply the stock MAP sensor is a 0-1V sensor. At 1V the ECU is seeing what it considers 0PSI, or a no vac condition. Any thing above that and it goes into fuel cut. All the SAFC does on the 420a is alter the MAP signal going to the ECU. If you push the SAFC into a positive fuel situation it sends over a 1V signal. Stock ECU CANNOT see more than 1v on that. And also cut too much fuel with the SAFC and the stock ECU will start to pull timing, and we all know thats bad on a turbo'ed car.

You have to deal with the MAP (manifold absolute pressure) sensor as it will not allow a boost situation to occur, resulting in fuel cut. The Missing link or a Homebrew FCD will solve this.

You dont need to replace your headbolts. lmao. unless you plan to run high boost. IF you rebuild your bottom end the stock Headgasket is fine, but ARP headSTUDS are recommended.

You dont need to build up your bottom end unless you want to run higher boost than 7-8 psi.
A built bottom end with 8.6:1 pistons, forged rods, and rings will net you the ability to raise your boost up into the high 20psi's. You DO NOT have to do any headwork to achieve this. lmao. Headwork will only add to the output hp and is not necessary.

Almost the entirety of this thread is wrong. The only thing that is right, is that you can turbo the n/a eclipse.
Hahn Racecraft offers staged kits, as well as Star. Notice, if you will, what they include in their kits as a base for what you need to purchase for a custom kit. Good info can be had on the internet, but, sadly enough not in this thread. Its a dark day for DSM owners everywhere if they were to follow this as gospel. LOL!
For accurate and helpful info regarding ALL aspects of the n/a 2gnt eclipse visit the forums at www.2gnt.com- Direct link- http://forums.2gnt.com


-Chris b.
http://www.djtrickee.com

[Gsx_hooptie]

I'm sure there's bad information in the thread, and for that matter on this forum, and for that matter on the internet. I don't think singeling out this thread is proving much. Like in all areas of the internet, there are people posting who know their info, and people who talk out of their ass. You learn to decipher between the two different kind of posters and information. The guy who started the post ran 12s on a turbo 420a, he probably did something right. I think if you reread the first few posts with that in mind, you have have at least a slightly different perspective.

Furthermore, most of the guys on this site have little experience with the 420a. It's really up to the few experienced members to write as well as they can on the subject and share what they know. Ultimately, there's not much room for correction of the information when few know the info to begin with. The more users there are, the larger and more diverse the knowledge base is. One person knows a bit, another knows something else, and a nice knowledge bank develops. This is one reason why more than a few members on this site could write a book on how the 4g63 works, while the suspension knowledge is lacking. Jake did a nice job sharing info to the best of his ability; your job could be to help the board get it right, rather than critique it. Saying the info sucks isn't doing much.

Maybe I'm sensitive about this (*sniffle* j/k) because I feel in the same position with my suspension thread (found here: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=406200). I take a light heart and try to write down what I know to the best of my ability, as a way of at least dispelling the more common misconceptions. I'm sure a suspension guru could rip a good amount of it apart. Overall, my thread, like this one, has its inaccuracies, but the readers know more than before they read it, and a good deal of the info is on point. Lastly, the point of these threads isn't only to present information, but to stimulate discussion and develop a knowledge base. I think the reason the turbo thread was closed was that as you pointed out, a bit of misinformation was being spread.

I'm not going to defend some of the dumb posts in the turbo thread, but some of what's written deserves more recognition that it's given.

On a more personal note, welcome to AF. Nice car and website design, too. Can you see the overhead gauges well? I like the idea I hope you enjoy your stay and share some of what you know.

[djtrickee]

I can respect what you are saying, and I might have been overly judgemental on the overall site and what people are looking to achieve here, but it really drives me nuts being an "older" tuner to see the youth get swayed and misled with inaccurate information. Especially when it comes to something as time consuming and obviously expensive as a turbo kit. If I were a newbie with 0% knowledge of how this car worked and how to assemble a custom turbo kit and I followed that threads advice, then I would have wasted many hours and dollars and been left with a sense of bewilderment as to why my car wouldnt even turn on let alone create massive amounts of pants inflating boost! lol.
Its not my job to critique and its certainly not my job to tell you all what to post here, but if you were to believe in misinformation and follow it to fruitition because its pinned on a respectable website then that, in my humble opinion, would be wrong. If I went on a website for building houses and pinned a thread telling everyone they could build a house with 28,000 boxes of sugarcubes and several tubes of Elmer's glue, it might seem feasible to the inexperienced, but in reality would be absurd.

Do what you will with the information I provided, I just hope its not deleted, and if you need more proof that Im not making up numbers or sugarcube houses, then by all means you are all welcome to validate me at 2gnt.com.

The only thing my car has ever been in a shop for is the machine work on the block, everything else has been learned and completed by me. There is no better education than hands on experience, but having the tools available to us now with the internet, that internet information needs to be accurate if we are too learn the right way of doing things. Having had the pleasure of completely building my car up and tuning it all on my own I can understand both the frustrations and elations that come with the hard work, sweat, blood, and most certainly dollars that go into it. But the end result is what drives us isnt it?

EDIT: and thanks for the compliments on the car. It is my god and my devil! The gauges on the headliner work well for me since I am 6' tall I barely have to flick my eyes to see them. And I wanted to keep my center console vents intact for those hot summer days. The Car-puter takes up the rest of the console, but it runs my Megasquirt, Wideband, and datalogger.

[Gsx_hooptie]

Well, what Jake did worked for Jake, and what you did worked for you. I think we're all better off knowing both ways. If you wanted to add a few lines at the end of the turbo post (or create a separate post about it), that would be great. Or, if you wanted to link to a stickey on 2gnt that we non-members could read, that would work. It certainly wouldn't be deleated. We're not knowledge fasciests

The sugarcube analogy brings up a good point. Posting info in the first place requires the good conscience to do more good than harm. It requires at least a passing knowledge of the material. I think the better members of any board try to do this.

Kudos to hands on experience, too. The coolest guys here have all thrown a wrench on what they write about. Jake wrote down what he did and what worked for him. Again, having had the personal experience yourself, I encourage you to do the same. I think even we 4g63 guys would read it, and there are certainly a few 420a-ers who would take note.

Edit>> Fascist. Sorry, I can't spell. The word is from fasces, from latin. It means bundle of sticks. It's from a latin parable, repeated in Shakespeare-- you can break one stick alone, but not several together. The symbol is also on the Congressional symbol. I'm drunk. /pointless lesson of the day