D15B7 Upgrades.....

[unusualcivic]

so you would pay $525 more just because it's from Tokyo? I give up

[pheurton-skeurto]

Originally Posted by 93DXon18s

first of all u retard, i never said i was going to or can afford the D15 vtec swap, i said thats what i really want tho. i dont have the money to swap any engine which is why i just want to try to build mine up. i never said i was poor i just simply stated i didnt have the money right now and couldnt get it quick enough to afford a swap. read the entire fucking post u stupid asshole, then try to crack on me and make dumbass remarks. second of all, $525 of the $2715 quote was for shipping cause its from Tokyo....it was like 1800 for the engine and the tranny was like a little more than 300. my friend said if i got the engine and the tranny and everything else i need for a swap, he would do it cause he owes me a favor anyways, bite my ass and dont even bother responding to this cause you're just gonna waste your time. learn to comprehend the words u read and then you'll realize that what i said wasnt what u said i said.

...and i am, whatever you say i am, if i wasnt, then why would i say i am...

sorry, didnt understand that either...lot of idle threats and insults. funny thing is, no one on here ever once insulted/demeaned/even flamed on you until you flamed on us. all that we were trying to do was give you some of our experienced advice, seriously. guess that backfired. have fun on AF, if you keep this attitude up, youll get no positive responses along with a slow car that youve poured a bunch of money into to go with your bad attitude.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by 93DXon18s

first of all u retard, i never said i was going to or can afford the D15 vtec swap, i said thats what i really want tho. i dont have the money to swap any engine which is why i just want to try to build mine up. i never said i was poor i just simply stated i didnt have the money right now and couldnt get it quick enough to afford a swap. read the entire fucking post u stupid asshole, then try to crack on me and make dumbass remarks. second of all, $525 of the $2715 quote was for shipping cause its from Tokyo....it was like 1800 for the engine and the tranny was like a little more than 300. my friend said if i got the engine and the tranny and everything else i need for a swap, he would do it cause he owes me a favor anyways, bite my ass and dont even bother responding to this cause you're just gonna waste your time. learn to comprehend the words u read and then you'll realize that what i said wasnt what u said i said.

Okay, I am sick of NOOBS liek you coming in here with a big-ass mouth, disrepsecting the forums and acting all big and bad. This isn't about us being of "vet status," you asked a question, and we gave you our advice based on our expericne and knowlegde...as pheurton-skeurto said...

Originally Posted by pheurton-skeurto

no one on here ever onceinsulted/demeaned/even flamed on you until you flamed on us.

That being said, cut through the threats, insults, and other BS you are shelling out and show some respect to the other member's of AF. You don't just join up and think, "I am cool, I am going to go and call all the other member's, new and vet's, names and insult them." An attuitde like you have is a quick path to get no help from anyone on this board, or to getting banned. Get a life, stop telling stories to cover up your last story. Stop insulting us when you run out of storys. If you don't like out advice? Take a hike and ask it somewhere else. No one is forcing you to come in here and flame us.

[93DXon18s]

first of all, i never said i was 'cool' or anything like that. i asked a few simple questions and stated that i did not want to do a swap. the only responses ive gotten basically are about what.......doing a swap. i dont know how many times i have to repeat that i DO NOT WANT TO DO A SWAP CAUSE I DONT HAVE THE MONEY. if i had the money i would do one but since i dont, im not going to. i just wanted to make my car run better and thought i could get some good advice about doing it cause i know all you people have alot more experience with these things. i didnt know that the only advice i was going to get was to swap, lol thats exactly the response i WASNT asking for. i dont know alot about imports and i am trying to learn about the best ways to get the best out of my car. i dont have a bad attitude and i dont think im all high and mighty. i just wanted advice on what i asked about, not advice on how i should just swap. you people want me to swap? give me the money and ill do it right then and there, but for now im trying to get my engine (d15b7) running better cause the person who owned it b4 obviously just drove the car and dint do a damn thing to it so now i am trying to fix that. dont stereotype me because im new and dont have as much experience as you guys do. all im asking is, if u cant answer my questions (which had nothing to do with a swap) please dont respond unless they actually have to do with the questions i asked. i understand that a swap is alot better and will give me more power and such but righ tnow i want to stick with the engine i have, thanks

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by 93DXon18s

first of all, i never said i was 'cool' or anything like that. i asked a few simple questions and stated that i did not want to do a swap. the only responses ive gotten basically are about what.......doing a swap. i dont know how many times i have to repeat that i DO NOT WANT TO DO A SWAP CAUSE I DONT HAVE THE MONEY. if i had the money i would do one but since i dont, im not going to. i just wanted to make my car run better and thought i could get some good advice about doing it cause i know all you people have alot more experience with these things. i didnt know that the only advice i was going to get was to swap, lol thats exactly the response i WASNT asking for. i dont know alot about imports and i am trying to learn about the best ways to get the best out of my car. i dont have a bad attitude and i dont think im all high and mighty. i just wanted advice on what i asked about, not advice on how i should just swap. you people want me to swap? give me the money and ill do it right then and there, but for now im trying to get my engine (d15b7) running better cause the person who owned it b4 obviously just drove the car and dint do a damn thing to it so now i am trying to fix that. dont stereotype me because im new and dont have as much experience as you guys do. all im asking is, if u cant answer my questions (which had nothing to do with a swap) please dont respond unless they actually have to do with the questions i asked. i understand that a swap is alot better and will give me more power and such but righ tnow i want to stick with the engine i have, thanks

Okay dude, I am going to be honest with you...the D15B7 is one of the weakest D-series motor's made...the block is thin, and the pistions and rods will snap with much more HP added....If you really want to add power, beyond the I/H/E, you'll need more than just a throttle body and intake manifold...and these parts alone will run you well over $500, and it will be fun finding them for that motor. Also, you will need to rebuild the block, high c/r pistions and stronger rods, a new cam will help...and you need to fortify the block somehow (re-sleeving is an example)...it's not cheap to get extra power out of any motor, espeically one that is weaker than most of the commen honda ones...if you play your cards correct, you can push about 140-150 n/a hp out of that motor, but not much more...that will require a complete re-build...you looking at $400 for pistons, $400-700 for rods (depending on the quility), like $1200 for sleeves at least, lets say $250 for a throttle body and $300 for an intake manifold...now that's $2500 on the low, $2800 on the high maybe, for just the parts...that is the cost of a swap, and you've only EQAULED it's power output stock. And this doesn't include the cost of the new clutch and flywheel set-up you'll need for the tranny to handle the newfound power...actually wait, you have a AT DX...that's the motor/tranny that came in my car originally, a 92 AT DX, there is no way you will get able to get the AT DX tranny to hold that kind of power, without sending it to level 10 for a strenghten and re-build, you'll blow that AT QUICK OTHERWISE. Honda auto tranny's are weak, all this may well eqaul or exceed the cost of swappin in a manual conversion and doing the whole clutch set-up route...All this still doesn't factor in the headwork, which would be springs, retainers, and valves, not to mention a good port and polish and a vavle job to get good flow, you'll need to do this all to get the head to be able to handle all this new power. You say you want to get good power out of this motor, but don't have a lot of money...I am sorry, there is NO WAY you will signifcantly gain suffiecent power out of this motor safely, cheaply. Even if you'd rather do this than swap, if you can't afford a swap, you can't really afford to build the motor properly. Now, seeing the costs to do this are so high, you can see why people suggest SAVING your money until you can afford to do a swap. The n/a power output BASE from a swapped motor will be the end n/a power output you'd get out of the DX, and chances are it will be cheaper to swap in the end, plus, you have a lot more potenial to play with later...that why we are saying save your money until you can afford a swap. We're not trying to be asses, it's logistics. If you still want to build up that DX...go right ahead and save, I have listed above some of the things you will need to gain hp and performance from the motor safely. Remember though, and this is not just a saying, these is no free power with cars, this espeically holds true with Honda's. Adding power, whether via building your motor up or swappin a new one in, is not cheap. You say want a way to make your motor run better, just give little performance, because the pervious owner abused it. The best and cheapest way to do this is just replacing it with good qaulity used stock parts (new will be spendy), still it may be cheaper to source a used, lowest mileage you can find, D15B7 and put it in, Chances are it will be in better condition, which will give you a little extra kick, since the motor will be running like it is supposed to, vs badly cuz it was abused. This would "make the motor run better,"which is what you want, and for a used D15B7, it shouldn't cost more than $500-600 I would think for the motor, as it's not very popular. That will be less expensive than anything else I can recommend.

[rubix777]

just drive it until you need a new engine. save that extra money.

[pheurton-skeurto]

ohh so thorough you are eckoman...

[Ricochet]

I don't think I've ever finished an eckoman post

[99civic03]

Holy novel batman!

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by pheurton-skeurto

ohh so thorough you are eckoman...

Originally Posted by Ricochet

I don't think I've ever finished an eckoman post

Originally Posted by 99civic03

Holy novel batman!

Well, he was complianing "no one gave him info on what he was asking about, that we were all jerks for suggesting a swap"...so, in an effort to help relieve us of all his complaining and flaming about receiving no help, I decided to post everything I could think of relevent to his question. You have to admit, it was thorough and informative....see...that wasn't so long. Wow Ricochet, you can FINALLY get through one of my posts....hey, look at the bright side, with informative posts that long, I'm obviously not a post whore, lol.

[pheurton-skeurto]

Originally Posted by eckoman_pdx

Well, he was complianing "no one gave him info on what he was asking about, that we were all jerks for suggesting a swap"...so, in an effort to help relieve us of all his complaining and flaming about receiving no help, I decided to post everything I could think of relevent to his question. You have to admit, it was thorough and informative....see...that wasn't so long. Wow Ricochet, you can FINALLY get through one of my posts....hey, look at the bright side, with informative posts that long, I'm obviously not a post whore, lol.

im gonna speak for both ricochet and i when i say that i wish you lived closer to ohio. youre a wealth of expertise.

[Ricochet]

Originally Posted by pheurton-skeurto

im gonna speak for both ricochet and i when i say that i wish you lived closer to ohio. youre a wealth of expertise.

+1.

[eckoman_pdx]

Originally Posted by pheurton-skeurto

im gonna speak for both ricochet and i when i say that i wish you lived closer to ohio. youre a wealth of expertise.

Originally Posted by Ricochet

+1.

Thanks for the votes of confidence there guys!! Yea, that'd be cool if I lived closer to Ohio, we could all meet up then sometime. The closest I've been to there is the fact my sister was born in Columbis in 1974, which is before I was born, lol. Any of you ever been to the west coast? If I ever go out that way I'll make sure to hit you guys up.

[F23A4Racer750IL]

my friend hadda 93 Civic DX H/B wit spoon exhaust, chikara header & AEM Intake w/ a lil weight reduction and was beating most Civic EX's. it aint a bad engine. but unforunatelty doesnt compare to some of the other hondas engines. luckily since Bisi Ezerioha carburated D15 that hit 9's broke out aftermarket support for the D15 started to grow.

[93DXon18s]

lol yeah screw that...if i knew that i would have to put the same if not more money into my dx engine just to get it to stock hp for a swapped engine, i never would have asked about upgrading my d15. sorry for the names and me being an ass or whatever, lol i am just gonna save the money and swap after all. lmao what should i swap in, mind u i have short money. ANY responses to this question are accepted, lol i wont be an ass this time. You guys did help, i was just being stubborn cause i didnt know