Cigarette prices!

[Jimster]

wtf????? Tobacco farmers are gettiing SUBSIDISED please tell me you made some form of mistake there


Scary indeed

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by Jimster

There is a reason for it- and its basic economics really- on fact it should be damn common knowledge- Cigarettes have (Negative) externalities- this generally means that they affect a third pary outside of the seller/consumer purchase (ie- Passivesmoking, tax-dollar healthcare costs for keeping smokers alive etc.........) hence they must be taxed to a more desireable point where society wants them.............Sure there are other things that aren't taced enough- but taxing cigarettes makes more than enough economic sense in the long run...............For those of us who DON'T smoke............


Damn I still remember WAAAAAAAAAAY too much from High scholl/Uni

Can't quote the exact article,but the Dominion recently reported that the cost of treating smoking-related illnesses in NZ was approimately one-third of the tax revenue taken from tobacco products.You're damn right it makes sense to be a non-smoker in NZ,if you smoke here,not only is the government determined to legislate your habit out of public places,they are more than happy to extort your money whilst doing so.

[boingo82]

Originally Posted by Jimster

wtf????? Tobacco farmers are gettiing SUBSIDISED please tell me you made some form of mistake there


Scary indeed

http://www.ewg.org/farm/progdetail.p...ogcode=tobacco

They are apparently being phased out. Thank God. Same in the UK.

[2strokebloke]

Originally Posted by boingo82

The thing that makes ME mad about all of this is how my tax $$ are paying to SUBSIDIZE the tobacco farmers, and then paying AGAIN for those stupid self-righteous TV anti-smoking ads and I DON'T EVEN USE THE DAMNED THINGS.

That's not true, Tobacco can be used for all sorts of things - like as use as a lettuce substitute for your hamburger - or as garnish on your fancy plate. Even your carpeting and haircare products are made out of it, and it's what powers our rockets to the moons. Or at least that's what it's do if I were president - elect me in the year 203-something.

[theoldboy]

Originally Posted by Jimster

There is a reason for it- and its basic economics really- on fact it should be damn common knowledge- Cigarettes have (Negative) externalities- this generally means that they affect a third pary outside of the seller/consumer purchase (ie- Passivesmoking, tax-dollar healthcare costs for keeping smokers alive etc.........) hence they must be taxed to a more desireable point where society wants them.............Sure there are other things that aren't taced enough- but taxing cigarettes makes more than enough economic sense in the long run...............For those of us who DON'T smoke............


Damn I still remember WAAAAAAAAAAY too much from High scholl/Uni

what about taxing all unhealthy food it causes as many health problems as tabacco .i like cigarettes but $11.00 a pack is bullshit

[Jimster]

Originally Posted by theoldboy

what about taxing all unhealthy food it causes as many health problems as tabacco .i like cigarettes but $11.00 a pack is bullshit

BUT Unlike Smoking, Fast food will only affect the consumer- no third parties need be affected- hence not an externality

[YogsVR4]

My folks smoke like a chimney. My sisters and I thought the damn things reeked so we never picked up the habit. I might have had ten cigarettes in my life.

I don’t care how badly someone wants to destroy their health. Let the cigarettes go for 2 bucks or whatever a pack as long as the the smoker pays for their own health coverage. Raise the rates of that coverage like they do with auto insurance for dangerous drivers. If they can’t pay or won’t pay for insurance and won’t pay for health care when they need it, let them rot.

I have no sympathy for someone crying foul on cigarette taxes. Until the health care cost is shifted directly to the smoker, it needs to be taken to care for all the illnesses it causes down the line.

[gnasha]

Originally Posted by Jimster

BUT Unlike Smoking, Fast food will only affect the consumer- no third parties need be affected- hence not an externality

Well you obviously never sit beside a big fat arse in a bus.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Let the cigarettes go for 2 bucks or whatever a pack as long as the the smoker pays for their own health coverage. Raise the rates of that coverage like they do with auto insurance for dangerous drivers

Totally agree with that.

[Xv7vX]

"Talk about taxation without representation!"

Do you even know what this statement means? Wait thats a stupid question, of corse you dont.

"Man. I'd LOVE to see the shitstorm that would start if the gov't starting taxing the FUCK out of anyone driving anything other than an econobox (but sports cars and SUV's use so much gas! and they kill people! Why not?!!)"

Have you heard of the gas guzzler and luxury tax?


Although It seems that i am anti-smoker its quite the opposite. I'm very pro smoker. You see, people have a choice to smoke or not, and they know of the health risks, yet some people still choose to smoke.

Smoking kills off all the stupid people in society. Anyone who smokes is too stupid to live anyway, so everytime they inhale they are one step closer to the grave. The less stupid people we have around this planet the better. Stupid smokers will die, so the more jobs available to me. Smokers will die, so less people on the road.

I cant wait.

[crayzayjay]

I love it when people make ignorant posts

[freakray]

Originally Posted by Xv7vX

Smoking kills off all the stupid people in society.

Please start chain-smoking, for the sake of society, you need to do this for us.

[Xv7vX]

ignorant?

You just hate it cause I'm right, crayzayjay.

Light em up fuckers!

[Steel]

yeah, but if the gas guzzler and luxury taxes were at the rates they are with cigarettes, it would cost a hell of a lot more to own a car... if a pack costs about twice as much as it should... that would be $140-180k for a viper. Would you even bother if cars cost twice as much as they do, just because of taxes? Oh, and twice as much for insurance too. Dumbass, i dont mind a FAIR tax, but this is way beyond fair.

And everything you said after that was pure stupid.

[Xv7vX]

you calling ME stupid just makes it more funny!

[freakray]

Originally Posted by Xv7vX

you calling ME stupid just makes it more funny!

I don't smoke, but read my previous post to you anyhow.