why do mustang guys hate import guys?

[Route666]

Originally Posted by lanevoMR

honda and toyota are markedly superior in build quality demonstrated by the highest reliability records of any auto maker for the past decade....according to publications such as consumer reports and JD Powers surveys

most domestic drivers that show enmity towards japanese cars do so because of 1) lack of knowledge/understanding 2) rejection of things different 3) nationalism

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

here I will give a bit of information that will most certainly perplex most of those ignoramus' that comprise much of the japanese car hating crowd.. that will exemplify my point of the level of ignorance pervasive in the domestic crowd

if torque is the all important factor in making a car fast..

Why do the Honda/Toyota F1 cars that make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds... ?

ask any typical japanese car hater this question and it'll be more clear why they feel the way they do,,, ignorance, opinions without any clear understanding

Maybe cos its got a low drag coefficient, low weight, 800hp, and a gearbox to match that rev range. Stick that motor in a civic, with a civic gearbox, and not only do you have a very expensive car, but a rather slow one too. The plus side is, you'l probably burn out the clutch after a week. Oh wait, that's not good...

Street cars are not built to allow such a massive rev range, and so must have taller gear ratios. This brings the need for torque over horsepower for increased acceleration as horsepower is a time-dependant function of torque, and so rpms has an effect on it. Since said street car doesn't have a very broad rpm range, more torque is needed to produce more horsepower.

On the street torque matters. In a race car that doesn't drop below 60mph, power matters.

[GTStang]

Originally Posted by lanevoMR

honda and toyota are markedly superior in build quality demonstrated by the highest reliability records of any auto maker for the past decade....according to publications such as consumer reports and JD Powers surveys

most domestic drivers that show enmity towards japanese cars do so because of 1) lack of knowledge/understanding 2) rejection of things different 3) nationalism

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

here I will give a bit of information that will most certainly perplex most of those ignoramus' that comprise much of the japanese car hating crowd.. that will exemplify my point of the level of ignorance pervasive in the domestic crowd

if torque is the all important factor in making a car fast..

Why do the Honda/Toyota F1 cars that make ONLY around 90 ft-lbs of peak torque around 16,000 rpm run the quarter mile in around 9 seconds and 0-60 in under 3 seconds... ?

ask any typical japanese car hater this question and it'll be more clear why they feel the way they do,,, ignorance, opinions without any clear understanding

Well let's us congradulate another import idiot!!! Not only does he knows shit about automobiles but he also know shit about basic geo-economics. Try educating yourself and you will understand why your big 50% to 1% is. HINT:It's not cause of the Japanese car superiorty.

Your an ignorant dumbshit and please never bother posting in this Forum agian.

[HiFlow5 0]

Originally Posted by Route666

Maybe cos its got a low drag coefficient, low weight, 800hp, and a gearbox to match that rev range. Stick that motor in a civic, with a civic gearbox, and not only do you have a very expensive car, but a rather slow one too. The plus side is, you'l probably burn out the clutch after a week. Oh wait, that's not good...

Street cars are not built to allow such a massive rev range, and so must have taller gear ratios. This brings the need for torque over horsepower for increased acceleration as horsepower is a time-dependant function of torque, and so rpms has an effect on it. Since said street car doesn't have a very broad rpm range, more torque is needed to produce more horsepower.

On the street torque matters. In a race car that doesn't drop below 60mph, power matters.

Yes, Good rebuttal to his post!

[BigDanTheMan]

the truth is japanese cars make up more than 50% of the market in America while in Japan, American cars make up less than 1% of the market.. that right there must tell you something..

yea it tells me that japan's import tax is extremely high to protect the jdm while america's are lower to encourage growth.

[83_Z28]

i give tons more respect for imports even tho i own a camaro, mainly because the japanese engineers can design a better car that america can....much much more reliable...u can run a 4 cylinder toyota for 200+k miles and itll still run some even last 1million miles while the domestics engine's are dead after 200k miles, and he is right because look how far the stock imports redline....6k rpm, my camaro redline's at 4800 rpm i believe... same as the 2 cylinder cruiser bikes....bullet bike's are 4 cylinder and redline 8000+rpm while the 2 cylinder's are slow and have alot of tourque, they red line alot lower but are slower

[Los]

I hate rice and domestic dipshits equally.

[lanevoMR]

Questions for Dumbestic Dimwits as follows;

When is the last time an LS1 won at Le Mans?

How did a 3.0 liter Honda engine lead the NSX to place ahead of all the 7.0 liter Calloway Corvette's in 1995?

Why was Honda the first to produce engines that meet LEV/ULEV/SULEV requirements, the first to incorporate variable valve timing and lift into a production automobile, the first to produce a hydrogen cell vehicle, and first to make over 100 hp/liter in a production NA car?

Why has Honda won 5 consecutive F1 championships in the past 15 years while an American manufacturer has won none?

Why was Toyota the first with an electric/gas production hybrid?

Why do Japanese cars outsell domestic cars in America?

Why did Honda and Toyota engines take 95% of the podium finishes in CART over Ford engines for the previous 5 years before their entry into the IRL, and now in the IRL why do HONDA and Toyota engines consistently take more than 90% of the podium finishes against Chevrolet engines?


There's plenty more to come. Let the ignoramus' occupy themselves forumlating inane and nonsensical responses.

[Los]

I wasn't aware an LS1 ever won a Lemans or even entered in it.

[lanevoMR]

apparently the deluded guy with the extensive LS1 eulogy in his sig doesn't realize that

[BlkCamaroSS]

No LS1 that powers a F-body/Corvette has ever seen time at Le Mans. The C5R's use LS1 derived 427's, but they share nothing similar in race/street attire...

Let's break this down. The US of A is the only real superpower left. This country as more buying power within it's borders than pretty much the rest of the world, combined. They're gonna buy anything. We're not taxed for space here like Japan is. Ah, this is boring me, next....

Who the fuck cares about F1 racing, I don't.

Toyota was the first with a gas/electric hybrid for the reason listed above. Japanese manufacturers are more globally minded because of the conditions they have to work with in the Far East. Give me my gas guzzler that get 30 mpg on the highway daily.

Japanese outsell American due to them being cheap, affordable for any/everyone, yet no one takes them seriously.

Hmm, no one cares about CART or IRL either. Those two series have been horrible since they split from being one. Those guys really messed up with that one.

[83_Z28]

blkcamaross i have to disagree with u.....u say imports are cheaper.....u can get a nice import for same price u will a mustang, but u can go to more classy like the s2000 or 350z or skyline, cars that will run with domestics of the same price up to 130....only way imports are cheaper is they last several thousand miles more than domestics....i love my camaro and all but in reliability my engine will last about 100-150k miles compared to a import lastin 200k-1million miles w/o many problems.....thats the only way imports are cheaper is on maitance

[stang_racer20]

To lanevoMR, this is a Mustang Forum so why are you in here insulting american cars and pointing out there flaws. Like a fuckin Honda or Toyota is perfect! And thats all im gonna say right now cause im not here to start flame wars like you!

[BlkCamaroSS]

When I said imports, it was in regards to small econoboxes, not the sports cars with japanese labels. Those are more expensive than American made sports cars, and don't contribute to the masses that were quoted to be bought here...

[Ern_Ball]

MOst ppl buy hondas cause they are cheap and use little gas but there is a shitloud of things in every store for them so they can rice them to make ppl think they are fast! as far as inport cars not pushing as much as a stang or any of that bull shit look at the 2003 subar wrx sti that will talk and spit out any gt yoou have stock with also having thta 300 lbs you say parents wont buy there kids! I think anybody who puts time and there money to make there car the way they want it should get respect! The whole point is to have what you want not to try and be like everyone else is! I mean hell ppl talk shit about there hondas and mustang owners always bitch but there are a million mustangs around I hate seeing them cause there everywhere there as bad as civics maybe there just to much alike

[90Stangjc]

Originally Posted by Mendari

Over in the Honda/Acura site, there is a forum that dedicates itself to telling stories of Hondas beating Mustang GTs in street races. There really is no equivalent on the Mustang side.
The problem is the demographic of the drivers. Honda/Acura enthusiasts tend to be a few years younger than their Mustang GT counterparts. In general, no parent in their right mind would hand their 16 year old child the keys to a car that produces 300 pound feet of torque. However, a Honda Civic produces a very safe 115 pound feet of torque at a very distant 4000 R.P.M.

I just wanna say that i'm 16, have a GT mustang, and my mom bought the car for me. In general yes, most parents wouldnt hand their kid the keys to a stang, but my mom IS in her "right mind", its all about responsibilty.