What's so good about Skylines?

[SkylineUSA]

Which one? 32,33,34?

STOCK R32 around low 13's-high 12s. All cars are created different, tracks are created different, weather conditions are created different.

Stock R33, a little slower

Stock R34 about the same times. But this is not written anywhere. I have seen small mods done to a R32 GTR, and it ran high 11's.

Its very subjective.

[moondog]

Originally Posted by Mr Payne

So you don't have any "evidence"? I know if it is extremely potent in modified form. I want to know what it does stock.

There're these little things called search engines, maybe you've heard of them? What you do is you go to one of them, and put in some words! And you'll get a list of web-pages!! It's really very clever!!

Since you don't seem to want to believe those of us who have and drive these cars, I suggest you invest some time and find someone you will believe. Overall you'll find the consensus to be that most of the Skyline range are very good (at least in one way or another), and the GTRs are damn quick, and handle damn well (yes, standard).

[TatII]

didn't the R33 GT-R broke the world record in the nurburing by doin it in under 8 minutes. i have saw a website where it showed that it can do the ring in 7:59 seconds. or something like that. thats almost a half a minute faster then what a EVO 7 or 8 can do. and those are faster cars then the STi.

[Saint]

I think you guys mis-understood me a little.

I'm saying the Skyline is overrated because people are spending what 50k+ importing it here. I'm saying is over hyped over here. For the rest of the world I don't know.

Plus, compared to the rest of the world and not just Japan, the Skyline isn't really all that great. You can get a z06 and it has equal performance.

How much does the a all new Skyline GT-R cost is Japan anyways?

[HellBent]

I think it is important to keep in mind that every car has it's merrits stock or otherwise. The world is full of great cars and we should rejoice that we are in the "second coming" of the muscle car era and war of horsepower between the big companies. It is truely a great time to be a car enthusiast.

That said, if one wants to compare cars, showroom stock is the way to compare them, other wise I can talk all day about my Diahutsu grocery getter with a Solid rocket booster strapped to the roof. In making a showroom stock comparison it is easy to search the web for FACTORY statistics. Unfortunately for the Skyline these all point to realistic numbers of around 13.5 sec at 102 mph in the 1/4 mile. This is supported by several drag racing horsepower calculators, which actually list the HP at around 280 RWHP and 320HP at the flywheel. Simple physics, but more importantly repeatability. Numerous magazines will also back up these figures using Vericom accelerometers.

This is not to say that some talented drivers can't do better, or in some case much much better. But Apples is to apples. This is the same methodology in which numbers were established for the Viper, Corvette, Porsche, and Mustang. I owned a C5 corvette and several 5.0L V8 mustangs. I consistently got better numbers and so will most writers on the forum, but at the end of the day the 80th percentile of people will get apporoximately the base line numbers. End of story.

Of note I saw a recent article in a Japanese car review magazine, that pitted a final model year R34 vs. a new G35 Coupe. It had fast framed action photos in series and a great write up all done on a road course. The end result was that the G35 coupe beat the R34 in every category accept 1/4 mile acceleration. The G35 coupe was faster around the road course. The action photos revealed that the G35 was more stable. The R34 had several photos showing it lifting it's inside front tire on hard turns, while the G35 was well composed! Amazing how technology moves on!

If and when the new GTR is released, it is suposed to be based on the G35 coupe/ 350Z platform. This bodes well as the G35 already looks like a solid performer!

-AL

[TatII]

but hellbent. when you compare what a car is really capable of your not goin to judge it by what the average joe shmoe can do with the car, you want to know what the car can do to its fullest extent. there is no point of sayin the skyline is this fast if your only driving like say 80% of what is really capable of. which brings me to my next point. you say that the skyline runs average of 13.5 by other guys, well have you thought about how those guys didn't have much time to get familar with driving a right hand drive and shifting with their left arm? nope, whats the average taht the Sti can run? the last time i checked it was a 13.2 in those mags. so basically a guy shifting with his left arm in a skyline is almost as quick as a guy driving a STi shifting with his right arm. hmmmmm but i've seen faster, the fastest i've seen was a 13.0 so i would count the STi as a 13 flat car becuase thats what the car can do to its full extend. but i'm still alittle skeptic of that beucase i have not seen the same numbers repeat. however the skylines sub 13 second runs are being repeated constantly. so that time has been backed up over and over again. you see what i'm saying right?

[scourge2u]

Saint...HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Man, you are so funny. Obviously you cannot master a search engine because if you did, you wound't have posted such bullshit from "I" to the "?." I've given detailed replies to kids like you before....but use the search engine to find out the truth.

[r32gtrnus]

the thing that is really absolutly amazing about the gtr is that is a a rwd car that only activates the fwd when the rear tires start to slip, now you compare that to the sti or evo or whatever, and the one guy said that it costs 50k plus legalizing, thats only if you buy a dag gum r34, the r32 that is on hole for me is only 36k and it is a 94, how much newer do you need to get? and that right there is so much less expensive than the damn zo6. so with the extra money that i have left over, i will do very simple mods and i will beable to blow the zo6 away

[SkylineUSA]

r32gtrnus,

And you own a GTR?

Z06 is a damn nice car, wish I could afford one

[flylwsi]

not to burst bubbles, but the nurburgring record is held by porsches, stock or modded, they've got the records, with little competition.

i'd find it hard to believe that a car that weighs more, has less power, and a lower lateral acceleration number (only .88 for an r34) would be able to best a porsche 911 turbo, or a gt2, even a gt3 would be quicker... at least at the ring.

and in most cases, the porsche will out handle, and be faster, with less power...

this is the same argument as the zo6...

it's all about what you like.
i'll never deny the sexiness of a skyline, but if you saw em all the time, and never saw a zo6, it'd be more "exotic" or rare.

for it's intended purpose (and at it's intended price) the skyline is a great car... if it were sold here, it'd cost less than a vette (when it was new, if they had been sold as US market cars)... and that's where it performs...

but it's by no means a bad car, and it's not overhyped, but the mystique is what keeps people wanting them...

[SkylineUSA]

flylwsi.

Well said.

Plus there is not going to be a weath of knowledge that you can pool from, if you get one in the states(like the Stangs, and Camaros).

Here in England, I have seen enough to know what they are about, but most of these guys here take their cars to a mechanic to have the work done, unlike in the states where you just join a local club, and then have your buddies over to help work on the beasts. Not all, but a lot of them do that here. What I am getting at, is that it costs a lot more to do that.

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by moondog

There're these little things called search engines, maybe you've heard of them? What you do is you go to one of them, and put in some words! And you'll get a list of web-pages!! It's really very clever!!

Since you don't seem to want to believe those of us who have and drive these cars, I suggest you invest some time and find someone you will believe. Overall you'll find the consensus to be that most of the Skyline range are very good (at least in one way or another), and the GTRs are damn quick, and handle damn well (yes, standard).

Ok, I'll bite, I searched and didn't find a Skyline review done by a magazine. I know they handle well, I know they are quick. I want to HOW well they handle, I want to know HOW quick they are. I know some American magazines have tested them, I was hoping for some links, I guess not though. Anyone have links to Aussie or UK reviews?

"Since you don't seem to want to believe those of us who have and drive these cars, I suggest you invest some time and find someone you will believe."
I did actually want to get some information, but if you're gonna be an ass about it, maybe not. I'll do Skyline owners a favor and not think they are all as pompous and immature as you.

[scourge2u]

Hahahaha! You searched about Skylines and found nothing? A poster said that Porsches own the Nurburgring and nothing else comes close? Hahahahaha! I have little doubt that ignorant American kids talk shit all the time about how the Skyline is the god car of all time yet they haven't even seen one much less driven one. But, that cannot take away from the fact that these cars are great stock from the factory. Inlet and exhaust upgrade and you're over 300hp. I'm amazed that people base their opinion about a car simply in opposition to what a bunch of kids say.

You want Skyline info, go to Fresh Alloy or Skylines Down Under, or how about...

This image was removed because it wasn't acceptable. Raz.

[RazorGTR]

Can we tone down the testosterone levels a bit please. Anytime there is a debate/questioning over a particular model there will always be emotions involved. Getting shitty or throwing your toys out of the sandbox isn't going to answer nor will it solve issues or questions.

I've owned a large number of cars over the years, and have driven or been in a number of high performance cars.
Some of the things that impressed me the most about the Skyline GTR is the overall package. While the upper end cars such as the Porsche GT2, GT3 are in a class of their own, they are also substantially more expensive. Also keep in mind as I've said before, that price is relitive to the particular country you reside. Case in point. Here in New Zealand we would pay over $250,000 NZD for a second hand GT2 while a brand new R34 GTR Vspec II would be half that. An R33 GTR is about $42,000 and R32 around $30,000. To give you another comparison that will knock the socks off our American user the top of the line Jeep Grand Cherokee would set me back more than an R34 GTR brand new for both! Just keep that in mind.

When I first got my R32 GTR it had a pod filter and full Trust Street/Racing system on it. 3 3/4 inch dia. I managed consistant 12.8's even with Moppie in the car I still did a 12.95 @ 110mph. That was done at only running 13.7psi of boost which is stuff all. Handling is better than most think it is. While it will understeer a little more than 2wd cars it is no where near that of any other 4wd vehicle. This is because of the ATTESSA system. Off the throttle it is 2wd and crusing it is 2wd. There is more to the system than simply applying torque to the front wheels as there are a number of factors and input sensors that dictate it. Throttle position, longitudal, latteral G-force sensors, rear wheel speed to front wheel speed which is determined from the anti-lock cogs on each axle. Hence you are able to get a GTR into over steer like a rwd car but keeping your foot into it will also bring it back instead of going around providing the oversteer does not go beyond 50deg from centre.

Acceleration is smooth. Unlike many turbo vehciles which seem to have explosive power. They pull very simular to any V8 except there is no let off until after 7,000 rpm. The car will pull from 2,600 rpm but you will get a bit of an extra kick around the 4,700 rpm mark which is where the factory cams/head design/turbos are designed to make most of the power from. Unlike a single turbo where you powerband is very narrow, being twin turbo with smaller light weight wheels boost comes on early in factory trim. Around the 3,000 mark for more than 6 psi.

No one can turely appricate this car or any high performance car until you've driven it. Watching on video, or reading about it just does not give you the full sceme or scope of what the vehicle is about.

For those that want to compare a GTR to a Viper, Z06, etc keep in mind the engine is only 2.6 litres. That is very simular in size to the Dodge Avenger which was 2.5 litres. The GTR is also heavy compared to other smaller engined cars. They are built extremely strong body and chassis wise. At 1430 kgs (3152.607 lbs) as weighed my R32 is not a light weight shopping trolly like a civic. The power to weight ratio isn't in its favour when you seriously think about it. Yet it is able to perform equal to or out perform other cars with engines over twice its capacity at a simular weight.
Power is rated at 275hp (280ps). As many know that is total bs. When I dynoed my car when I got it, it was making that at the wheels or just under actualy, 266hp. Add 26% to that for drive line loss on the dyno I use. That is 335.16 hp at the flywheel. Correct me if I am wrong but the Z06, GT2, GT3's, are rated at 450hp+. Now they weight in at simular or maybe slightly more but also have over 100hp more. So when a car that weights in nearly the same, is making 100hp less, can still manage to keep up with others that is impressive in anyone's book.

As far as getting more power out of them, that is easy. Simple mods such as remapping the factory ecu, exhaust, pod filters, and boost controllers bring the GTR up to the Z06 and GT3 power levels. Now the tables turn dramaticly. You still have the same handling and all the running gear so you don't lose the cornering abilities while not being left behind down the straights. My particular car is pushing just over 450hp now. I been clocked by GPS and radar at 0-100kph or 0-62mph in 4.2 secs. 1/4 mile personal best is now a 12.11 @ 117mph. That is in full street trim the way the car rolled off the show room floor. Nothing taken out of it except the spare tyre on normal radial tyres and pumped gas of 98 octane.

If you're looking for information on Skylines, stick with those that KNOW. Don't be so fooled by biased reports by ignorant magazines and people's own speculations. I've seen so much inncorrect shit on the internet over the past few years about these cars it isn't funny. The problem is since people don't really know they assume it is correct because it is published as such. It isn't I would never own an understeering pig.

These cars were designed and built to compete in GT racing. They do that very well. For the record I had run across old archives of the Japan GT history. What many of you don't know is the restrictions put on the GTR to be able to still race. They are boost limited to 1.4 bar and have air intake restrictors, turbo restrictions, and are no longer allowed to be 4wd. This began shortly after 1992 when the GTR for three straight seasons completely dominated the Japan GT. In 1991 there were no less than 8 teams using the Skyline GTR during that season. Until recently the NSX's and Supra's were the dominate force but this year the Skyline once again owned 2 of the top 4 spots.

I would hate to close this tread but if personal attacks continue I will do so and those that continue will be banned from AF. Think before you post. If you are pissed off about something go for a walk or somewhere else because if it comes in here action will be taken.

[scourge2u]

So, no one else thought that pic was funny? I thought it was.

But, to be serious, if you claim to have searched the net and you still claim that you don't know why the SKyline is such a great car, you either lied about searching, can't comprehend what you saw, or simply did a terrible job of searching. $50,000USD just to legalize the car? Thats BS. The Z06 will smoke it? Thats BS. The car is overrated? Who is talking about Skylines and what is he saying? If you're serious about wanting to know more about Skylines, Google. Yes, there is a plethora of info out there.


Google! Can you speak it?