Any particular reason to buy a 4 banger?

[Mylacc]

well i know in general cylinders doesnt necessarilly represend output
a god damn bulldozer is only a 4cylinder

each cylinder are bigger then your engine but whatever...

in general though dont more cylinder represent a smoother ride and a better acceleration (Getting more things to move at once fomr a dead stop...) also in some cases better gas milage depedning on weight to cylinder ratio....getting a 6 can pull the car easier then a 4 therefore using less fuel...not as true with bigger sets no cars NEED 8 or higher so thats gonna lower gas economy

also which setup do you all perfer and why? advantages? disadvantages?
V, VR, I, Opposing? something else?

[F20C]

Originally posted by G-Forces

Well I guess you're the be all and end all of manufacture knowledge. Which magazine did you read that in. I like how you act as the authority on all things automotive. You have not idea what Nissan might do. They probably have a couple S15's in NA right now at the Nissan proving grounds. You also know Motorex will probably end up importing the S15 sometime in the future.

As for the STi and EVO being an arm and a leg there was never a price point to his question. He never considered a 4 banger could be a sports car. I just pointed out that it could.

Be careful with your guru attitude and not everything you read in magazines is true.

I don't know everything there is and I didn't claim to know everything there is. However I speak for what I know now. Just tell me where and when did Nissan said they were brining out S15 to North America? If you have the facts I would like to see. Do you have proof of S15 exsisting in North America? If you don't then we can't use that as evidence either. Nobody can predict the future that's why we are talking present time. FreshAlloy will know when it's coming etc.

By the way I moderate on a rumors board for a well known honda site. However we discuss more than just Honda in that board. All the rumors get posted it and with a source of where it came from.

He did say he had $11000 to spend.

Aren't you the same guy that said production ready cars is not a production model? :sun: When it is label production ready that means it will be the same car consumers get. If not manufacture will still keep the pre-production tag.

[F20C]

Originally posted by G-Forces


If the larger V8 motors were built to the tolerance that some of the performance 4 cylinders were built to they would be much more expensive. When you tune a larger motor like older mustang motors you're basically improving the effiencey. The SR20DE and B16, etc all are tuned to very tight tolerances so you get less gains with n/a bolt-ons.

Most people don't now how to take care of the rotory in the RX-7. The non-turbo rotorys were practically indestructible. However when you start boosting the apex seals are very easy to blow. In fact one lean condition and you'll need a rebuild. Mazda should have spent more time on cooling. That's why any good tuner will always recommend cooling upgrades as the firsts mods you do.

That's why american V8 is pushrod so the production cost doesn't shoot through the roof. Same reason why intake upgrade on C5 can gain 40hp in some cases. Japanese are known for maxing out on cubic inches. Whereas American just add more cubic inches. They come from different starting points. In Japan cars pay insurance based on the sized of the motor.

Rotory are different breed from Piston engines.

[F20C]

Originally posted by G-Forces

Mazdas new rotory design with the side port (i think it is) design will be more fuel efficent and make more power. In fact it won't need a turbo to get the same output as the old twin turbo'd 13B.

Anyway sorry for getting off topic.

New engine is lighter than previous model. It is more efficient as well along with better emission control.

But you are half right on outputs. Same output for hp but not torque.

Let's see the engine powering RX-8 concept had a 10000 rpm redline. 250hp at 8500 rpm. 150 lb torque at 7500 rpm.

Looks awfully familiar to F20C to me.

[F20C]

Originally posted by Mylacc
well i know in general cylinders doesnt necessarilly represend output
a god damn bulldozer is only a 4cylinder

each cylinder are bigger then your engine but whatever...

in general though dont more cylinder represent a smoother ride and a better acceleration (Getting more things to move at once fomr a dead stop...) also in some cases better gas milage depedning on weight to cylinder ratio....getting a 6 can pull the car easier then a 4 therefore using less fuel...not as true with bigger sets no cars NEED 8 or higher so thats gonna lower gas economy

also which setup do you all perfer and why? advantages? disadvantages?
V, VR, I, Opposing? something else?

There is a lot more to engine smoothness than just cylinders. Inline 6 is the smoothest design along with V12.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by F20C
Nobody can predict the future that's why we are talking present time. FreshAlloy will know when it's coming etc.

Right so saying it will never come is just as bad as saying it will. Up until a couple years ago noone thought you'd be able to by a Skyline in N.A. either, but Motorex sells them legally for street use.

He did say he had $11000 to spend.

I know I missed that when I posted my comment about that. Oops.

Aren't you the same guy that said production ready cars is not a production model? :sun: When it is label production ready that means it will be the same car consumers get. If not manufacture will still keep the pre-production tag.

Nope the first car that rolls off the production line is the production model. Production ready cars while sill very close mock-ups of production cars are not quite the same. If it can't be sold on a lot, which a production ready car cannot, it's not a production car. It's pretty damn close, but not exact. Anyway this discussion shouldn't go any further on this thread. E-mail me if you want to discuss this further.

[G-Forces]

Originally posted by F20C


There is a lot more to engine smoothness than just cylinders. Inline 6 is the smoothest design along with V12.

Inherently the I6 is better balanced so by its nature so its a smooth running engine. However a lot of harshness can be taken out of a V6 with properly desinged balance shafts. Hense the Maxima V6 has been on Wards top ten motors every year. They praise it's smoothness and refinement.

[F20C]

There is nothing more I love than car discussion. It's really hard to see people's emtion with words that's why it get taken the other way at times.

I'll PM you to chat more about it.

[LiuBei]

Oh, most of these smaller 4cyl cars have higher saftey ratings. But I guess if you are going fast you have a better chance of dying anyway.

[Mylacc]

99% of the people who die in car accidents its because lack of seatbelt and they flew through the windshield and such

people wering there seatbelts have been known to get into a head on with a tractor trailer while driving a chevy neon and take only minor injuries

look up accidents even on shitty cars the interior part of the caqr is almost always in tact for the most part

thats why crumple zones were invented..

[LiuBei]

What the hell is a "chevy neon?" Is that like a Ford Camaro? What is more reasssuring? A car with a pathetic crash test rating or a car with a perfect rating. BTW, its the peoples fault for not wearing their seatbelts. Hell with some cars it doesn't even matter if you wear a seatbelt. I'll give you an example below.

Seatbelts can't always save your life if your vehicle is unsafe.

[Mylacc]

chevy cavalier

ford neon whatever, basically what im saying is in most accidents just wearing a seatbelt will save your ass

[LiuBei]

You are a GODDAMN genius , is that why they invented seatbelts? I'm pretty sure you missed my point on both counts. Think deep and hard, maybee if you're lucky you can see what I was trying to say. BTW, if you didn't know that first sentence was sarcasm, I thought I'd help you out.

[Mylacc]

yah i know the statement im trying to say is that even though a car is a bit faster as long as you use your head its not gonna be the end of yah

doesnt matter now im going to look at a Black/Black 96' Acura TL 3.2 Premium, with 130,000 miles in unbeliavable condition, im gonna go look at it take it to a garage and since its got a clean carfax report and everything and he wants a meager 7,500$ for whatever reason is beyond me, im gonna take it

[LiuBei]

I'd go for it. Sorry, I wasn't trying to be a dick. It just pisses me off when people {not saying you did} badmouth cars like my Civic. Like this thread, if you don't want a certain car why are you asking people why you should buy it or not? I'll just drop it. Anyway, that car would be a pretty good car for you to get. I know for a fact Honda/Acura's last forever.