Some of you Honda boys Confuse me...

[911GT2]

Originally posted by superbluecivicsi
Whats this ?- - - - - -> I just get sorta perturbed because every time I take out my goddamn car (a stock fuckin Civic people), all these dicks in their bodykitted and winged out Civics try to race me. And they actually lose. It just gets fucking ridiculous after a while. <- - - - you havnet raced my stock looking civic yet. and yes, you do deserve to have your vocal chords ripped out :smoker2:

Again, you're the exception rather than the rule. Good job on that.

[911GT2]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
being the owner of a 4th gen civic.....i can only say that i love my civic...about to do a n engine swap, endyn's supercharger and about to try and add 4wd to my car.....after that...if i'm not too broke....i'm contemplating a combat body kit and functional roof scoop...true u may see me coming down the road and only ur common civic with a body kit that thinks he's fast....but in actuallity u will have no idea as to what i went thru to get my car like it is or how fast it is....i could have gotten a body kit a while ago and stuck it on my car stock, unpainted and unprimed but to me i would fall into that catagory that u re speaking of

That project alone will cost far more than the car.

And do you even realize the complexities of installing an AWD system?? You don't even have a crankshaft (or the space for one) let alone room for both the crank AND the transmission. That's a pipe dream, and the AWD system alone would cost more than a WRX.

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally posted by 911GT2


That project alone will cost far more than the car.

And do you even realize the complexities of installing an AWD system?? You don't even have a crankshaft (or the space for one) let alone room for both the crank AND the transmission. That's a pipe dream, and the AWD system alone would cost more than a WRX.

actually it is doable and already has been done....what makes u think the awd system would cost more than a WRX...either use a donor crv or a 4th gen wagon....b4 u downplay someone's idea u should do some research...could be helpful when find urself not knowing what ur talking about

[911GT2]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


actually it is doable and already has been done....what makes u think the awd system would cost more than a WRX...either use a donor crv or a 4th gen wagon....b4 u downplay someone's idea u should do some research...could be helpful when find urself not knowing what ur talking about

The CRV's AWD system is awful, and incompatible. There simply isn't room for it without doing serious interior and exterior modifications. I'm sure it's been done before, but so has a NSX to CRX engine transplant. Your point being?

Part time AWD systems suck, something more along the lines of the Subaru system is much much better, and Audi's Quattro system is tops.

And don't accuse me of not knowing my shit before at least letting me reply.

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally posted by 911GT2


The CRV's AWD system is awful, and incompatible. There simply isn't room for it without doing serious interior and exterior modifications. I'm sure it's been done before, but so has a NSX to CRX engine transplant. Your point being?

Part time AWD systems suck, something more along the lines of the Subaru system is much much better, and Audi's Quattro system is tops.

And don't accuse me of not knowing my shit before at least letting me reply.

so if u know it can and has been done...what's the point of u calling it a pipe dream?? b/c u can't afford it?? b/c u think i can't afford it?? b/c u on't think itz feasible.....i accused u and u kinda sorta backed it up...i think who care about audi or subaru?? i don't....and who cares about putting a nsx engine into a crx i don't care about that either....but u didn't prove nothing to me execpt giving me a broad view of some stuff u can get out of C&D.....but u don't have anything to prove to me and same here.....just keep up with ur eurotail hatin point a to point b self:silly2:

[911GT2]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


so if u know it can and has been done...what's the point of u calling it a pipe dream?? b/c u can't afford it?? b/c u think i can't afford it?? b/c u on't think itz feasible.....i accused u and u kinda sorta backed it up...i think who care about audi or subaru?? i don't....and who cares about putting a nsx engine into a crx i don't care about that either....but u didn't prove nothing to me execpt giving me a broad view of some stuff u can get out of C&D.....but u don't have anything to prove to me and same here.....just keep up with ur eurotail hatin point a to point b self:silly2:

I pointed out the Subaru and Audi AWD systems because they're both much much better than the CRV system. And if you're going to spend ridiculous amounts of money to replace the FWD with AWD, why would you intentionally install an inferior system?

And you provide absolutely no argument. You wrote one big sentence and managed to say absolutely nothing in the process.

And I looked up prices that other people paid for AWD systems in Civics and 10K seems to be the median. For a 15K Civic + a 10K AWD system, you could've bought a WRX and had more power and a much better developed chassis.

[BLU CIVIC]

$15K civic + $10K awd system wouldn't make since....but since i have a 4th gen civic.....$1600 civic +$5k AWD system makes a $6600 civic with AWD

[911GT2]

But you don't understand. The AWD system doesn't cost 5K. It costs 10.

And does it make sense to spend almost 8 times what your car costs??

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally posted by 911GT2
But you don't understand. The AWD system doesn't cost 5K. It costs 10.

And does it make sense to spend almost 8 times what your car costs??

$10k for what gen civic and which awd system??

obviously u are not an or as much as an euthieust (sp) as i am....my last hatch cost $100 b/c i got it from a relative....i put a $2k into it b4 it was totaled...does that make me a mad man for putting 20x into the car for what i brought it?? we all have our hobbies...mine is my car....i could put 100x what i brought the car for into it and wouldn't care...as with anyone who has a hobbie.....it obviously seems that cars aren't ur hobby....yet mabey

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally posted by 911GT2


I pointed out the Subaru and Audi AWD systems because they're both much much better than the CRV system. And if you're going to spend ridiculous amounts of money to replace the FWD with AWD, why would you intentionally install an inferior system?

Obviously you AREN'T much of a knowledgeable enthusiest if you didin't already realize the AWD systems on the Audi and Subaru are COMPLETELY different and for a whole different purpose than those of the CRV. The Suby is a rally racer, the Audi has AWD for stability control, and the CRV is a psuedo off-roader. Simply put, you can't take an Audi Quattro or even a WRX for that matter half the places you can take the CRV, and you can't take the Audi half the places you can a WRX. That was a pretty poor example you made using those 3 vehicles.

You want a GOOD 4WD/AWD system? Part time systems are actually the best when it comes to that TRUE purpose of 4WD. An '82 Jeep Cherokee my dad recently sold had about the best 4WD system any civilian production vehicle has ever had in it next to maybe a Hummer. You can't beat a system that allows you to lock in and out EACH front and rear differential at the trasfer case and comepletely disengauge the entire system from the powertrain. Something NO 4WD system on the market today can even come close to doing, with the exception of Jeep Wranglers, end even those you can't adjust to the degree of an '82 Cherokee's system.

Sure an Audi Quattro might be a better system than the CRV's (when used in the situations it was designed for in the first place) but it's also WAY more sophisticated and expensive than the CRV's system as well.

[henry matyjewicz]

SilverY2KCivic is my idol

[93preludesi]

i have a 93 honda prelude si.i put a few laiite thingsto it i plain to do alot more.i like doing it.becouse u take something thats does.t look that great in make it maen as hell show personality.

[911GT2]

Originally posted by SilverY2KCivic


Obviously you AREN'T much of a knowledgeable enthusiest if you didin't already realize the AWD systems on the Audi and Subaru are COMPLETELY different and for a whole different purpose than those of the CRV. The Suby is a rally racer, the Audi has AWD for stability control, and the CRV is a psuedo off-roader. Simply put, you can't take an Audi Quattro or even a WRX for that matter half the places you can take the CRV, and you can't take the Audi half the places you can a WRX. That was a pretty poor example you made using those 3 vehicles.

You want a GOOD 4WD/AWD system? Part time systems are actually the best when it comes to that TRUE purpose of 4WD. An '82 Jeep Cherokee my dad recently sold had about the best 4WD system any civilian production vehicle has ever had in it next to maybe a Hummer. You can't beat a system that allows you to lock in and out EACH front and rear differential at the trasfer case and comepletely disengauge the entire system from the powertrain. Something NO 4WD system on the market today can even come close to doing, with the exception of Jeep Wranglers, end even those you can't adjust to the degree of an '82 Cherokee's system.

Sure an Audi Quattro might be a better system than the CRV's (when used in the situations it was designed for in the first place) but it's also WAY more sophisticated and expensive than the CRV's system as well.

But you're clearly not looking at an AWD system for a Civic for its off roading qualities, you'd get more of an on-road system. And as far as on road systems go, Subaru and Audi have the rest searching for answers. The M-B 4Matic system is alright, but they make better 4WD systems for off roading (a la G500). I don't (and don't think blu civic does either) care about off roading a Civic, because as you pointed out quite well, older Jeeps can do it much better for much less money.

And when you're spending 10K, I just can't see you spending that much money on a clearly inferior system.

[911GT2]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


$10k for what gen civic and which awd system??

obviously u are not an or as much as an euthieust (sp) as i am....my last hatch cost $100 b/c i got it from a relative....i put a $2k into it b4 it was totaled...does that make me a mad man for putting 20x into the car for what i brought it?? we all have our hobbies...mine is my car....i could put 100x what i brought the car for into it and wouldn't care...as with anyone who has a hobbie.....it obviously seems that cars aren't ur hobby....yet mabey

I caught it on another forum, the guy was looking at a CRV system for a 5th gen I believe.

And how can you call me out as not being an enthusiast when I'm giving alternatives that would be both faster and more fun to drive. Or when I say that I hate body kits?

Look here, I have a great love for cars, which is why I don't like to defile them with disgusting body kits or shitty eurotails. I'm not bashing real performance enthusiasts, just giving them better options.

[SilverY2KCivic]

Originally posted by 911GT2


But you're clearly not looking at an AWD system for a Civic for its off roading qualities, you'd get more of an on-road system. And as far as on road systems go, Subaru and Audi have the rest searching for answers. The M-B 4Matic system is alright, but they make better 4WD systems for off roading (a la G500). I don't (and don't think blu civic does either) care about off roading a Civic, because as you pointed out quite well, older Jeeps can do it much better for much less money.

And when you're spending 10K, I just can't see you spending that much money on a clearly inferior system.

I'll agree with you there. Audi and Subaru do indeed have others scrambling to catch up when it comes to ON-road AWD systems, I hear the system in the new US Lancer Evolution is supposed to have one up on the system in the WRX, but the WRX STi that's coming out later this year will have even one more up on both.

An offroad intended 4WD system wouldn't be very well suited for a street car, and the old Civic wagon AWD system seems more logical, althought wasn't that one intended for mild offroad situations kinda like the old AMC Eagle wagons of the early 80's? Eitherway, an AWD 90's generation Civic isn't something you see everyday let alone at very many car shows either.

Is the Benz 4Matic system, true AWD anyways? I haven't read up much one it. Eitherway, most of those German sport sedans almost always preform better with such amenities as traction control and ABS OFF, verses them working for you. Life in those cars isn't fun without a little controled tail sliding here and there in say like a BMW 325i sedan. I know because I've done it in special test drive runs for tire manufactures to test tires before they are released.