They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

[CL8]

Originally Posted by curtis73

This is getting a little uncivil folks. There are also several posts that are claiming fact when its simply mislead perception. "

Curtis, you are guilty of doing the above in your post below.

And if you want to nitpick things... add up all the lives that have been taken in the name of MAINSTREAM Christianity throughout history during times like the Crusades, the Dark Ages, Slavery, American colonialism, and European Imperialism. Then compare it to the miniscule amount of lives taken by the relatively recent extremist terrorists and I think you'll find that Christians have that tally beat by a few billion.



Jeez

[BNaylor]

This article caught my eye. Obviously the U.K. has some serious issues and it will probably get worse in the future. Thanks DM.

BTW - Don't ask us to help you guys out. We have enough of our own problems. You are on your own this time around. WWII is just a faded memory.

Source: BBC

'More Muslims radicalised' in UK

A higher proportion of British Muslims are radicalised than those in several other major western European nations, according to a US research body.

Muslims in the UK are more likely to see a conflict between being devout and living in modern society than in France, Germany and Spain, it found.

Thousands of people in 15 countries were questioned for a poll for the American Pew Research Center.

In Britain 902 residents took part in the survey in April and May.

Of British Muslims taking part in the poll, 77% said the rise of Islamic extremism worried them.

However, almost a quarter thought suicide bombings and other violence against civilian targets to defend Islam were justifiable - though among these some stated that this was rarely the case.

Andrew Kohut, director of the Pew Research Center, said: "British Muslims were the most radicalised."

The French Muslims were the most temperate, he said.

Link to Article

[thegladhatter]

Just as I said....UK is becoming an -slamic state. As long as they turn a blind eye to it it will continue.

[thegladhatter]

Is Chavez muslim?

“The United States empire is on its way down and it will be finished in the near future, inshallah," Chavez told reporters, ending the statement with the Arabic phrase for "God willing."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,214709,00.html

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by CL8

It was looking good until I read this in link three:

Pretty much how your country seems to stand with torture.
"It's wrong but...."

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by CL8

I as a Christian will condemn the likes of those such as Jim Jones, Eric Rudolph and Westboro Baptist Church. Their actions are wrong, inspired by evil, not God, they do NOT represent the Christian religion in their actions in any way.

Now, if you want credibility as a Muslim, condemn those Muslims who Kill and torture innocent people in the name of the Muslim religion.

I happen to believe Muslims are secretly happy with the Muslim terrorists for their terrorism against Christians and others!

In your first sentence above, I agree that condemning those acts is proper; they were heinous.

But from what I know, Jim Jones thought he WAS a god, so I think insanity played a part.

Rudolph...is an idiot. You don't kill people to protest killing people. He WAS protesting that abortions were killing people, wasn't he?

And the Baptist church in question....they have no taste. You don't picket a funeral...what, are you protesting their death of someone that behaved as you perceive wrongly? Shouldn't you be protesting the ones that are still alive? Whatever.

All 3 of the folks/groups named above are nutjobs and/or extremists....which I take it was your point, just venting.


Now in your 2nd sentence I must say that it seems you are telling someone else how to act within their own religion, a concept I'm sure you would resist if the situation was reversed. Pointing your finger at someone who has different beliefs and telling them to act a certain way?

In your last, you are making a guess at what people are thinking, so it's pure speculation; you say you believe that is what they are thinking.....is this belief categorized as your opinion, or is it the type of belief as in your faith?


Remember that the participants of the Boston Tea Party were seen as terrorists by the British, and heroes by the future citizens of the US. Sometimes it's in your point of view. I recall that Islam teaches peace, until you are attacked; then it teaches to fight as best you can. [pardon me if I did not put it eloquently] While I don't agree with suicide bombings, perhaps that's the only way they have to fight back against what they perceive as an attack?

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Pretty much how your country seems to stand with torture.
"It's wrong but...."

Thats a poor counter-argument DM. Worse than a straw man argument. Our country has come along ways since the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan started. Torture is not allowed and the U.S. military follows the Army Field manual which is being revised for all government agencies to follow like the CIA. I work with the Army's MOUT Counter-Insurgency program and know what training is conducted. No one is taught how to torture and the media blew a lot of it out of proportion. Ethics and morals classes are conducted before the troops deploy to the war zones. What is your definition of torture? What goes on in detention facilities is no better or worse than how you are treated in a civilian jail for a crime. At least we do treat our detainees humanely versus whopping their heads off with no trial/due process concluded with a summary execution. It is a two way street and obviously the Islamic extremists do not comply with the rules of warfare or the Geneva Convention.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Remember that the participants of the Boston Tea Party were seen as terrorists by the British, and heroes by the future citizens of the US. Sometimes it's in your point of view. I recall that Islam teaches peace, until you are attacked; then it teaches to fight as best you can. [pardon me if I did not put it eloquently] While I don't agree with suicide bombings, perhaps that's the only way they have to fight back against what they perceive as an attack?

That is no real comparison.
No one was killed in the FIRST Boston Tea Party.
(or any that are happening today.)

[CL8]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

Pretty much how your country seems to stand with torture.
"It's wrong but...."

The belief that the U.S. condones torture is a flat out lie!

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

Thats a poor counter-argument DM. Worse than a straw man argument.

First of all, I was talking about this and this.

Secondly, I was using it as an example of how a person (or nation for that matter) can be against the principle of something and still see circumstances where it may be justified.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

Thats a poor counter-argument DM. Worse than a straw man argument.

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

First of all, I was talking about this and this.

Secondly, I was using it as an example of how a person (or nation for that matter) can be against the principle of something and still see circumstances where it may be justified.

But those charges of "torture" are a trumped up complete LIE!
You are pathetically ignorant if you can't see that.[/quote]

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by CL8

That is no real comparison.
No one was killed in the FIRST Boston Tea Party.
(or any that are happening today.)

Sure there is. It's the perception of the people involved; whether or not people (or tea) was killed is part of it, but the basic underlying idea is that a group of people did something that the other group found heinous in order to strike back.

I guess you'll not be answering my other questions?

[blazee]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

I guess you'll not be answering my other questions?

I'm sure she'll answer them as soon as a religious or right wing talk show tells her what she thinks the answers should be. Until then, everything that those sources don't express are all lies, Lies, LIES!

Originally Posted by CL8

That is a lie. If it was true those "Muslim" nations in the Middle east wouldn't be trying to annihilate Israel and calling the U.S. the "Great Satan"

Originally Posted by CL8

Well, if you believe some of the lies taught in science history and religion, you will be under the control of those propagating those lies!
(global warming and environmentalism is one of the big lies to control the masses)

Originally Posted by CL8

The belief that the U.S. condones torture is a flat out lie!

Originally Posted by CL8

But those charges of "torture" are a trumped up complete LIE!
You are pathetically ignorant if you can't see that.

[fredjacksonsan]

And I thought I was going to have some actual debating going on.


Bummer.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by fredjacksonsan

Ir.



Now in your 2nd sentence I must say that it seems you are telling someone else how to act within their own religion, a concept I'm sure you would resist if the situation was reversed. Pointing your finger at someone who has different beliefs and telling them to act a certain way?

Are you saying it is inappropriate to expect others to act in a way that respects others life, liberty and property?

In your last, you are making a guess at what people are thinking, so it's pure speculation; you say you believe that is what they are thinking.....is this belief categorized as your opinion, or is it the type of belief as in your faith?

It is an educated guess based on their actions!

Remember that the participants of the Boston Tea Party were seen as terrorists by the British, and heroes by the future citizens of the US. Sometimes it's in your point of view. I recall that Islam teaches peace, until you are attacked; then it teaches to fight as best you can. [pardon me if I did not put it eloquently] While I don't agree with suicide bombings, perhaps that's the only way they have to fight back against what they perceive as an attack?

Why don't they have a "Tea Party" protest, like many Americans do with no violence???? Also there is no "attack" that came before their bombings that wasn't first provoked by their deadly attacks. They are the FIRST aggressors!