Adding HP with bolt ons...

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by asdfbeau

I'd go for an aftermarket cam if i REALLY had to have more low end power from my car.

A cam that has more duration gives you less low end, and more top end. I don't know of any aftermarket cams that have less duration, that would just be dumb anyway. Lets just face it, with such small engines you have to rev the crap out of them to make power - thats the nature of a small displacement engine.

[jcrx]

Originally posted by ExemptX2000
Wussup,

I have a 95 Civic 4dr auto, car runs fine at about 4g+ RPMs, but untill it reaches that point in first gear its really slow and doggy... What can I do to increase the low range HPs? I was thinking an intake and an exhaust, maybe a chip (if they have one for my car, saw some for standards but not auto does it really matter?) but I dont know if this will really help... Any advise?

Thanks,
Exempt

There are chips for autos, I don't know who is doing them, but it is going to be more serious race companies, since most of the mainstream stays in the manual camp, but htere are some seriously fast autos. Only problem is they are not Hondas. Honda autos are HORRIBLE, try finding performance aftermarket tranny parts for an auto Honda, not gonna happen. The best you can do is search the net for a chip, and get a torque converter.

[crxlvr]

check out www.levelten.com they have plenty of autobox fun toys for your honda needs.

[ExemptX2000]

Cool, thanx for the link... I'll check them out...

[eckoman_pdx]

Hey, thanks for that level 10 link, I have been tryin to find how to contact them forever. and exempt, I have a 92 4dr auto. I couldnt stand the lack of low end, so when the d15 enigne died, I put in an 97 LS automatic. The thing hauls in my civic, lots more low end, car doersnt have problems on hills anymore. Yea, its an AT, but its a fast little AT now. So there one opinion and route to go. I went that route mainly cuz I couldnt drive I stick at the time, and refused to pay for a d series engine. I wanted the torque of a 1.8. If I did it all again? I'd probably convert it to a manual tranny. But check out force ten, I have been told they can build a "bulletproof AT" to any specs u want. I'mma check em out. If I dont like it, I'll can always make it a manual tranny, cuz I'm lookin for big power. But just dumpin an LS in there will add a lot more low end, and the LS hits peak torque at a lower rpm than the gsr too.

[eckoman_pdx]

I forgot to say, I admitt I woulda been better off swapin it to a manual, and I'm thinkin I'll have that eventually, once I get enough to build up the engine and turbo it up. I figure, might as well save money and get what I can outta this at before I dumpit for a manual. I know the LS tranny is supposed to be great for turboing, cuz the gear ratios are more sutible for it. I know the integra type-r tranny is good for it too. But if you were gonna turbo the hell outta it, would it be best to LS/VTec it with a type-r tranny, or leave it and regular LS with LS tranny (once its manaul)?

[ExemptX2000]

Yea and LS engines arent that expensive compared to the other engines out, am I right are they non-Vtec? Or do they have both nonvtec and vtec LS engines? Also, this may sound like a dumb question but, when u do a swap such as this, does it matter if the engine from the donor car is auto/manual transmission in it? I mean if you just taking the engine and leaving your own tranny, does it matter? Is there any differences on the engine side on an auto/standard, or are they examctly the same?

Oh and how exactly could u make an auto a standard? I read somewhere its not a simple task... Easier to just go buy a standard...

[B16EJ1]

Okay, calm down and take a deep breath. Here it goes. B18B/A's(LS) are non VTEC motors. LS/VTEC is a frankenstein motor and Honda does not make em mad scientists do. As far as the longblock/auto/manual tranny question goes, either an auto or manual tranny can be used on any longblock. The problem lies in what type of tranny you need, ie hydro or cable. This is determined by what type your chassis as made for. What all do you need for the auto to manual swap??? Look it up. I've been typing long enough. It's all over the net. Yes it would have been easier to just buy one but it's too late for that now.

[eckoman_pdx]

Ok, I don't need an LS, I already have an 97 B18B1 in my civic. It was a complete swap. I kept it an AT though, so its an LS auto. I am already planning of make it a manual once I am outta college (sooner if buget allows). My question was, I am making it stick, cuz of my HP goal for the car. I am planning to close the deck, change all the interals, springs, vavles, cams, etc. I have been doing my hoework, and know I will have to completly buiild up all the the interlass tpo a stage 3 blokc and head build up to allow the engine to handle the 400 hp I am hopin to make. My question is, I am going to use a turbocharger, of course, at a high boost level. I know I can keep the LS non-vtec, or I can put on a GSR head (or B16A) and make it an LS/Vtec. I have heard, that for turbocharging apps, its better to keep the LS non-vtec, that an LS/Vtec is more for all motor. What are your thoughts, if you know what I'm talkin bout. I am not interstedin speardin $1500-2000 for an LS/Vtec conversion if its better to keep in non-vtec for turbo apps. What are your thoughts on this? Is it better to keep the LS non-Vtec or make it an LS/Vtec for such apps?

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by eckoman_pdx
I have been doing my hoework,

So you have been hoe-ing around huh? slut:silly2:

[super_man_3179]

I don't know about LS/Vtec for turbocharging. I know that you will get higher horsepower but at higher RPMS. I like vtec, but then again it kicks in about 5000 RPMS.....and I really don't want to have to rev my engine that high for it to kick in. I've seen dyno graphs of LS turbo charged cars and the torque kicks in earlier than LS/Vtec....Like with a drag gen III kit on a 94-00 integra LS the highest torque is 216 ft-lbs at about 5000 RPMS.....then with a turbo LS/Vtec torque peaks at around 6500 RPMS......The car will pull hardest where the torque is highest...so what do you want??? 5000 RPMS or 6500 RPMS??? But then again you'll get higher horsepower with LS/VTEC....depends on what you like. A regular drag gen II tubo kit on an 94-00 integra LS non-Vtec...is about 255 whp and 216 ft-lbs...that's good enough to run 13.3 quarter mile times so on 6-7 psi......so that's good enough for me...Here's a dyno graph of a drag gen III kit on a non-vtec 94-00 integra.....Pretty tight!!!

http://www.geocities.com/dynocenter/turbo.html

P.S: Keep in mind everything else is stock......only thing extra is block guard....which you really don't need at 6-7 psi....

[eckoman_pdx]

super_man3179, thanx for it info . Most informative so far by far. Yea, high HP at a high rpm is fun, but, its nice to not have to rev the car to 6500 rpm to get max torque for goin up hills. Keep the good info coming people AlsoPWMAN...as you know, I ment HOMEWORK lol

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by eckoman_pdx
AlsoPWMAN...as you know, I ment HOMEWORK lol

Yeah I know I guess that was about the least informative post so far

[V00D00]

Originally posted by kittedb18bt
dont put a cam gear on a sohc! its a waste of money



chris

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