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Old 05-14-2003, 05:17 PM
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It's official.There are no WMDs.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2003May10.html

I look forward to seeing the responses of all those who predicted that I would be eating my words.

Try not to play up the'Saddam is evil' routine,the justification for this war was originally to disarm him and hunt for Al Queda. The U.N. had already told the world that there was nothing there,and Al Quaeda are still out there,bombing Western targets in Saudi with the same ease and impunity that they attacked the WTC.

The U.S. may have won the ground battle conclusively,but the truth is,it was fought for all the wrong reasons.The only redeeming feature of this war was the removal of a U.S. appointed dictator from the control point for the world's second largeest proven oil reserves.Saddam may be out of power,it remains to be seen wether he is replaced with another U.S. stooge who will turn against his own people.

The best the world can hope for is that the U.S. direct its military resources into clearing the thousands of mines,cluster bombs ant toxic depleted uranium ordinance from Iraq, and then allow the citizens of Iraq their sovereign right to elect their own leadership in the manner that they consider fairest.The U.N. should not try to impose any leader or style of government on someone else's land.There' is no reason for the U.S.to remain in Iraq in any form once it has helped to clear up the detritus of war.
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Saddam is evil:finger:

J/K

It really does not look good that we found nothing.
I believe there was WMD there at one time but it has all been
moved to another country, and is now probably a worse threat than
it was in Iraq since now we have no Idea where the WMD or Saddam is.
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The U.S. won the war, but lost the real war--the war for people's opinions. Now Washigton has to do damage control--not an easy process, and at this time it would be even harder to convince other nations, especially its allies (and soon to be former allies?) of U.S. military presence for such and such reason. But I think Bush is happy since he has the oil...
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If you actually read the article it says no such thing as "its official. there are no wmds"













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hehe I've pretty much become apathetic about the whole damn ordeal . I dont care anymore !!! I cant care anymore !!! Gas is cheaper !!! yay !!! Beyond that it is not my moral obligation to command the country , if this all turns out bad then "Hey !!! Not My Fault !!!" . I'm sorry tanaki but I suck at foreign relations. I hope we find something over there , cuz if we dont we are all going to look like bullies . I hope we find an antichrist missle filled with ebola and plutonium cuz thats the only way were ever gonna get outta this mess. Im bout to fly over there and plant some stuff so the USA isnt a laugh for the next 20 years !!! But dont laugh at us too loud or your next !!! I'm glad Saddam is gone , I never did and still dont know why our attention went back to him after all these years but if "Iraq - Saddam Hussein = cheap 93 octane for justin" then it wasnt all bad for me , even if I have no idea why the hell we went over there !!! If he was the bastard who made it so expensive then be gone with him !!! If bush hiked gas up I'd have him removed too. Politics pisses me off. well i got to go , plane leaves in 5 and I need to make sure my iraqi scud's clear.
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The U.S. won the war, but lost the real war--the war for people's opinions. Now Washigton has to do damage control--not an easy process, and at this time it would be even harder to convince other nations, especially its allies (and soon to be former allies?) of U.S. military presence for such and such reason. But I think Bush is happy since he has the oil...
Interesting that "planting" WMD's was not attempted....First thing I would have expected...:alien:
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If you actually read the article it says no such thing as "its official. there are no wmds"
Agreed, and you know I really don't care anymore. They did find a grave site with at least 10,000 bodies from way back during the Gulf War.
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Agreed, and you know I really don't care anymore. They did find a grave site with at least 10,000 bodies from way back during the Gulf War.
ack , I saw that on the news but I didnt know the bodies were that old. SICK !!!! SEE WE FOUND THE WMD"S !!! They are trying to grow bio-weapons with thier mass graves !!! SEE SEE !!! lol. dude that is disgusting and shameful to bury people like that . I hope hussein is dead !!!
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Funny how the ones who were crowing the loudest about 'going after Saddam because of the WMD's' suddenly either don't care to post or don't feel it's that important any more.....


What's up guys,is it that hard to admit that you believed your government,but your government got it totally wrong?

The finding of mass graves,while gruelsome,does not justify the invasion.the original purpose of the invasion was to disarm Saddam.Turns out that he didn't have the weapons,but we knew that already BECAUSE THE U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTORS TOLD US SO.

It's time for Mr Bush to show a bit more respect and support for the U.N. ,then maybe it can achieve what it was intended to do.All Mr Bush has achieved in this invasion is to alienate America from the civilised world.
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Funny how the ones who were crowing the loudest about 'going after Saddam because of the WMD's' suddenly either don't care to post or don't feel it's that important any more.....


What's up guys,is it that hard to admit that you believed your government,but your government got it totally wrong?

The finding of mass graves,while gruelsome,does not justify the invasion.the original purpose of the invasion was to disarm Saddam.Turns out that he didn't have the weapons,but we knew that already BECAUSE THE U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTORS TOLD US SO.

It's time for Mr Bush to show a bit more respect and support for the U.N. ,then maybe it can achieve what it was intended to do.All Mr Bush has achieved in this invasion is to alienate America from the civilised world.
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Agreed, and you know I really don't care anymore. They did find a grave site with at least 10,000 bodies from way back during the Gulf War.
There no doubt, because he's an eeeevil man?

Amazing to see how those WMD didn't turn up, so they're now no longer important...

Also, the argument that they were shipped to another country, no doubt Syria and Iran!
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Funny how the ones who were crowing the loudest about 'going after Saddam because of the WMD's' suddenly either don't care to post or don't feel it's that important any more.....


What's up guys,is it that hard to admit that you believed your government,but your government got it totally wrong?

The finding of mass graves,while gruelsome,does not justify the invasion.the original purpose of the invasion was to disarm Saddam.Turns out that he didn't have the weapons,but we knew that already BECAUSE THE U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTORS TOLD US SO.

It's time for Mr Bush to show a bit more respect and support for the U.N. ,then maybe it can achieve what it was intended to do.All Mr Bush has achieved in this invasion is to alienate America from the civilised world.
I believe there was WMD there at one time but it has all been
moved to another country, and is now probably a worse threat than
it was in Iraq since now we have no Idea where the WMD or Saddam is.


It will take some more time than a month to exhaust all of the leads for WMD.

Why does everyone need concrete evidence that Saddam is or was a Madman tyrant that could give a shit less about his own flesh and blood, Let alone what other countries thought of his Weapons program testing. What more proof do you need than 10,000 innocent dead bodies in a mass shallow grave?

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Turns out that he didn't have the weapons,but we knew that already BECAUSE THE U.N. WEAPONS INSPECTORS TOLD US SO.
Not yet proven.

He was hit so hard and so fast they were not able to coordinate the order to use them. They were moved shortly after the invasion began.
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There no doubt, because he's an eeeevil man?

Amazing to see how those WMD didn't turn up, so they're now no longer important...

Also, the argument that they were shipped to another country, no doubt Syria and Iran!

Why would it not be possible for a man of his means to ship them elsehere at the drop of a dime? He has eluded the US for 14 Years.
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The bodies should be enough. Not to mention the footage I saw on the History Channel of like 5 guys blind folded then shot at with like AK47s and then Saddam with his pistol putting a bullet into each one of their heads after they're already dead.
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I agree that saddam huissein was an evil bastard and deserves to die. But I wish that was what we said before we went in . I hope after Iraq is rebuilt thier new government will give them some rights again. I know it had to suck living under an absolute dictatorship.
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