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[Luis Pacheco]

Belkits.be / Belkits.com
another update:

BEL 002: 125 parts
body
8 sprues
... photo-etch parts
seatbelts
decal sheet
window mask

BEL 003: 127 parts
body
8 sprues
photo-etch parts
seatbelts
decal sheet
window mask

[Koudy]

Hello, I have problem with painting the final coat of P207 S2000. I put decals on it, let body dry for a few weeks to be sure that all decals are perfect dry. Today I painted the body with Gunze SuperClear (in spray), I only put one thick layer (as ever) from cca 20cm. This is the same way I use for my kits for few years with no problem.

But after cca 30 second all decals cracked (looks like dry surface of salt lake). I am not the only one, same problem have 3 of my friends from my country. I need to buy new decals, but I would like to ask you how to paint it with final coat? Which lacquer to use, Gunze SuperClear or Tamiya X-20 (clear)? Or have you got any other way?
Please, see 3 photos on my forum what have happen http://forum.paddockmag.com/viewtopi...0&p=3466#p3466.

Thank you very much for your help, I really appreaciate it.

[stevenoble]

Originally Posted by Koudy

Hello, I have problem with painting the final coat of P207 S2000. I put decals on it, let body dry for a few weeks to be sure that all decals are perfect dry. Today I painted the body with Gunze SuperClear (in spray), I only put one thick layer (as ever) from cca 20cm. This is the same way I use for my kits for few years with no problem.

But after cca 30 second all decals cracked (looks like dry surface of salt lake). I am not the only one, same problem have 3 of my friends from my country. I need to buy new decals, but I would like to ask you how to paint it with final coat? Which lacquer to use, Gunze SuperClear or Tamiya X-20 (clear)? Or have you got any other way?
Please, see 3 photos on my forum what have happen http://forum.paddockmag.com/viewtopi...0&p=3466#p3466.

Thank you very much for your help, I really appreaciate it.

The clear that you are using is quite aggressive and will attack decals if applied in thick/heavy coats too soon. Apply it very lightly and build up the number of coats slowly and thinly until you have a good coverage. Allow it to dry before you apply any heavier coats. This should give better results and allow some protection of the decals and prevent the cracking that you have experienced. You could also try a less aggressive clear to prevent your problems (Gunze Topcoat, Zero 2K etc)

[Koudy]

Hello Steve, thanks for a quick reply. This is the very first time I hear that SuperClear is strong and aggressive. I always put first layer from Spray, just to fix decals and be sure that they will not crack.
I use this way for a long time (a years), build a lot of kits and it was always OK. Now I applied it by the same way, sprayed SuperClear from the distance 20 - 30 cm, just a very thick coat.
The body was dry, last decal was applied before month, so I was very surprised what happened. I will buy new decals (Meeke, Ypres 2010), but I am very afraid what will happen next time.

Steve, what do you think about first coat made by Tamiya lacquere X20?

[eyckles]

Originally Posted by Koudy

Hello Steve, thanks for a quick reply. This is the very first time I hear that SuperClear is strong and aggressive. I always put first layer from Spray, just to fix decals and be sure that they will not crack.
I use this way for a long time (a years), build a lot of kits and it was always OK. Now I applied it by the same way, sprayed SuperClear from the distance 20 - 30 cm, just a very thick coat.
The body was dry, last decal was applied before month, so I was very surprised what happened. I will buy new decals (Meeke, Ypres 2010), but I am very afraid what will happen next time.

Steve, what do you think about first coat made by Tamiya lacquere X20?

Hi,

Maybe i can help you out. I have a spare decal set that came with the box. I actualy have 2 spares, because i'm building the Neuville and Snijers version. I sprayed x22 acrylics over my Meeke version with no problems. PM me if you are interested.

Best regards,
Lesley

[Koudy]

Hi Lesley,
thank you very much for your offer, I really appreciate it. One of my friends from Czech Republic who is going to build different version will send me his spare decals. I guess I will have them this week.

But it´s good to know that somebody "unknown" wants to help. Many thanks Lesley (I will use your hint and try X22).

Best regards
Martin

[eyckles]

Originally Posted by Koudy

Hi Lesley,
thank you very much for your offer, I really appreciate it. One of my friends from Czech Republic who is going to build different version will send me his spare decals. I guess I will have them this week.

But it´s good to know that somebody "unknown" wants to help. Many thanks Lesley (I will use your hint and try X22).

Best regards
Martin

Hi Martin,

No problem. I'm glad you found the decal set that you where looking for. I hope to see your finished build soon here on AF.

Best regards,
Lesley

[stevenoble]

Originally Posted by Koudy

Steve, what do you think about first coat made by Tamiya lacquere X20?

Maybe you mean X-22 acrylic clear..?? X-20 is enamel thinner. Be careful spraying any lacquer over X-22 clear. I am pretty sure it will attack the finish. Maybe someone else can confirm this..??

[eyckles]

Originally Posted by stevenoble

Maybe you mean X-22 acrylic clear..?? X-20 is enamel thinner. Be careful spraying any lacquer over X-22 clear. I am pretty sure it will attack the finish. Maybe someone else can confirm this..??

Oh forgot to mention. Don't spray any lacquer over the tamiya X22 acrylics. You can go with 2K clear from Zero Paints without any issues over X22 acrylics.

Best regards,
Lesley

[Koudy]

My fault guys, it is X-22 of course. I discussed this also with Steven from Belkits.com and he recommend Gunze Gloss. But it is the same base, acrylic.

At this time is Peugeot´s body back in surfacer and I will be back soon with my own thread. But I guess it was good to solve this issue here to warn other modelers to avoid Gunze Superclear.
Thanks a lot guys for your help, this is exactly what I wanted to know.

[Luis Pacheco]

[Luis Pacheco]

WRC

[Outlaw66]

When these beauties will start to be sold ????

I'll want at least one of each ...

Cristiano

[eyckles]

Originally Posted by Outlaw66

When these beauties will start to be sold ????

I'll want at least one of each ...

Cristiano

I heard from a good source, that the release will be june(propably during the Geko Ypres Rally). They have to build one of each kit to get the final ok from Ford. Then they can start manufacture them for the clients.

Best regards,
Lesley

[TvD]

Originally Posted by eyckles

I heard from a good source, that the release will be june(propably during the Geko Ypres Rally). They have to build one of each kit to get the final ok from Ford. Then they can start manufacture them for the clients.

They have already build one of each. They took them along to "Modelforce" in Belgium today.... They were build so Ford could assess if they would give the "go" on the decalset, which they didn't. So it might be a bit longer before they are ready to produce I'm afraid....