abs light on no communication

[DontCome2MyHouse]

Originally Posted by phil-l

I don't know - but Google should be able to confirm it. There are many idiosyncrasies to OEM part numbers...

When I bought the electronic portion of my unit, I contacted Team Ford directly to verify that I was getting what I expected, and used the part number they specified.

Awesome. Can you provide the part number of the electric portion so I can know what I'm getting when I call them?

I REALLY appreciate your help with all this!

[phil-l]

I'd have to go back through some e-mail to track down the number I had then - but it was for an '00, so probably not terribly useful for you.

Plus: One of the idiosyncrasies of OEM part numbers is that they change over time. For things like ABS electronics, they'll update the software for various reasons during a production run - and modify aspects of the part number to reflect this. The details of the part number on the module I bought didn't match my original module.

ANOTHER THOUGHT...

As I thought about your situation, it occurred to me that your most critical issue is removing the module without damaging either the electronic of the hydraulic portion - even though we already know the 3 remaining Torx fasteners are badly corroded. Do you think it would be possible to get a Dremel-style tool in there with an attachment that could grind off what remains of the fastener head? This would allow you to lift off the electronic module - and hopefully get enough room to remove the fastener shaft using vice-grip-style locking pliers (after lots of PB Blaster at the *base* of the fastener). This approach has the potential to separate the two in a manner that allows them to be re-attached without dealing with hydraulic lines.

[phil-l]

I just realized that the pictures from my project (linked earlier) included pictures of the box for the module - with the part number printed on it:

XF2Z-2C219-AB

Again: This was the part number for the module I replaced on my '00 Windstar LX, back in late 2007.

However, quick Googling turned up this page: http://www.fordwindstarrecall.info/

Near the bottom of the page, they have a list of module part numbers. The site claims:


NO TRACTION CONTROL

1999/2000 : XF2Z-2C219-AB - ECM Control Module

2001/2003 : 2F2Z-2C219-BA - ECM Control Module

TRACTION CONTROL

1999/2000 : XF2Z-2C219-BA - ECM Control Module w/Traction Control

2001/2005 : 2F2Z-2C219-CA - ECM Control Module w/Traction Control


The above-linked site includes more information about the ABS failure - included some detailed pics of the internals.


I used the above part number to search at the Blue Springs site you listed earlier (Interesting trick: These Ford parts sites will let you *search* on a specific Ford OEM part number, but won't *list* the part number if you find something through their menus. Annoying.) However, that approach came up with a higher price than your link led me to. On details at this level, it's probably best to contact them directly. In my dealings with Team Ford Parts, they were very responsive to e-mail questions - and had the information I needed. Try Blue Springs and see what they tell you!

[DontCome2MyHouse]

Originally Posted by phil-l

I'd have to go back through some e-mail to track down the number I had then - but it was for an '00, so probably not terribly useful for you.

Plus: One of the idiosyncrasies of OEM part numbers is that they change over time. For things like ABS electronics, they'll update the software for various reasons during a production run - and modify aspects of the part number to reflect this. The details of the part number on the module I bought didn't match my original module.

ANOTHER THOUGHT...

As I thought about your situation, it occurred to me that your most critical issue is removing the module without damaging either the electronic of the hydraulic portion - even though we already know the 3 remaining Torx fasteners are badly corroded. Do you think it would be possible to get a Dremel-style tool in there with an attachment that could grind off what remains of the fastener head? This would allow you to lift off the electronic module - and hopefully get enough room to remove the fastener shaft using vice-grip-style locking pliers (after lots of PB Blaster at the *base* of the fastener). This approach has the potential to separate the two in a manner that allows them to be re-attached without dealing with hydraulic lines.

There would be no way to Dremel those off without removing the entire unit. Too tight.

[DontCome2MyHouse]

Originally Posted by phil-l

I just realized that the pictures from my project (linked earlier) included pictures of the box for the module - with the part number printed on it:

XF2Z-2C219-AB

Again: This was the part number for the module I replaced on my '00 Windstar LX, back in late 2007.

However, quick Googling turned up this page: http://www.fordwindstarrecall.info/

Near the bottom of the page, they have a list of module part numbers. The site claims:


NO TRACTION CONTROL

1999/2000 : XF2Z-2C219-AB - ECM Control Module

2001/2003 : 2F2Z-2C219-BA - ECM Control Module

TRACTION CONTROL

1999/2000 : XF2Z-2C219-BA - ECM Control Module w/Traction Control

2001/2005 : 2F2Z-2C219-CA - ECM Control Module w/Traction Control


The above-linked site includes more information about the ABS failure - included some detailed pics of the internals.


I used the above part number to search at the Blue Springs site you listed earlier (Interesting trick: These Ford parts sites will let you *search* on a specific Ford OEM part number, but won't *list* the part number if you find something through their menus. Annoying.) However, that approach came up with a higher price than your link led me to. On details at this level, it's probably best to contact them directly. In my dealings with Team Ford Parts, they were very responsive to e-mail questions - and had the information I needed. Try Blue Springs and see what they tell you!

I can't find the whole unit on the website teamfordparts.com. I did a search in the search box and I only found the ABS ECM (upper portion) for $312.43. Where did you find the whole unit for $741.17, with a $200 core charge?

I called Blue Springs Ford and gave them part # 2F2Z-2C219-BA. They said this is ONLY the electronic portion and NOT the whole unit. The upper and lower portions both have their own part numbers. The lower hydraulic portion was an additional $500+. So replacing the whole damn thing would be pushing close to $1K.

So...it looks like I will pay someone to remove the whole old unit, take off the upper electrical part (3 bolts drilled out), buy a rebuilt unit for $50 and have it installed on the original lower hydraulic portion (I may actually need your 2 bolts unless I can find new ones locally which would still leave me short 1 bolt). What a project!

Now the only decision I need to make is whether I shoud take it to Ford where they know EXACTLY what to do, but might give up removing the old bolts and tell me to buy THEIR whole unit or else...

OR

Take it to someone else where I have to explain in detail what to do, but might not give up so easily if they want to get paid.

[DontCome2MyHouse]

For some odd reason the ABS and brake light issue have completely disappeared this past week. It may have something to do with me checking the connection to the ABS ECM when attempting to remove the torx screws. Loose connection perhaps?



For the first time no warning lights!

[phil-l]

Well, I recommend cleaning and checking all ABS connections before moving on to other areas of suspicion. Maybe that did it for you!

However, while working on this project, I went through several short periods of correct ABS operation - before the light came on again. Only replacing my module got rid of it for good.

[mark_gober]

I've had a very similar issue recently. I took the large connector off of the ABS module and I could immediate get codes. I reconnected it and it worked fine for several months. It did come back one more time, but I pulled the connector off and put it right back on and was once again able to pull codes. That was a year ago or so and I can still pull codes now.

I realize that that has a certain "shadetree" feel to it, but when faced with the cost of an ABS module, I'm ok hanging out in the shade.

Mark

p.s. BTW, the connector is a bit tricky. It unscrews and the connector itself slides laterally to disengage. I've never seen a connector quite like it, but just examine it and you'll figure it out.

[LTDzak]

The cold weather will increase the length of time before the module overheats, but does not solve the problem.

I just r&r'ed the ABS electronic module on my 99 Windstar yesterday, and will post more details soon to go with Phil's pictures. There are a couple tricks I used to make the job easier.

[big white bufflo]

I have done nothing with my wifes abs but i am reading all these post and my question is are these abs moduel year spacific or can certain years cross i have a pick and pull close to my house and thinking if i have to get a unit go there it seem like 1000$ is alot to pay