They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

[drunken monkey]

you might be onto something there.
if we had guns, maybe we'd have less of an alcohol problem here.

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

You don't really need to look into history to point out the fallacy in his statement.

Take a look at whatever news sites and just search for murders, rapes and other acts of violence and you'll find that acts commited by Islamic Extremists are the minority.

A cursory look at the BBC sites gives me at least 10 counts of murder on the first two pages committed by non muslims.

Traditional penalties for theft in a Muslim society, would result in the removal of the fingers, or hands (depending on the severity of the crime) and penalties for rape would result in public stoning, or a hundred lashes and banishment for one year, or getting their nuts cut off. Maybe the UK & US could use some Muslim justice as a deterrent! Islam closes the door to the criminal who wants to commit these crimes.

Actual methods of capital punishment vary from place to place. In some Muslim countries, methods have included beheading, hanging, stoning, and firing squad. Executions are held publicly, to serve as warnings to would-be criminals.

Allah says; (The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off from opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter) (Al-Ma’idah 5:33).

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

You don't really need to look into history to point out the fallacy in his statement.

Take a look at whatever news sites and just search for murders, rapes and other acts of violence and you'll find that acts commited by Islamic Extremists are the minority.

A cursory look at the BBC sites gives me at least 10 counts of murder on the first two pages committed by non muslims.

When it comes to extremist nut-jobs.....NOT your run of the mill city crimes.....Islamic anal pores lead the charge here. NO QUESTION! Not the Baptists! Not the Mormons! Not the Catholics! General murder on the streets are not the issue.

[drunken monkey]

run off the mill city crimes?
So if I take your rationale, seeing as there are more run off the mill city crimes than Islamic extremist related crimes, then run off the mill city people are more criminalistic than Islamic extremists?
To use your words, run off the mill city people lead the charge in theft, rape and murder.

[thegladhatter]

Okay.....I....will....type.....really....slow....
I used "run 'of' the mill" to indicate crimes that occur regardless of ANY religious leanings. A guy gets involved in "road rage" and blows somebody away. THAT would NOT constitute a crime where a religious passion was the cause. Crimes like that will happen anywhere and anytime.
Religious extremists DON'T fall into that category. Geesh! Don't you see ANY difference here?

[drunken monkey]

Once again, Islamic extremists are not representative of the religion.

Extremists are a minority of a minorty.
Islam is peaceful.
Christianty is peaceful.
All religions are peaceful.
Extremists are often not.

Is that a difficult concept to grasp?

If all you're looking at are religious based crimes, where does attacking abortion clinics and their staff because you believe abortion is anti christian come into it all?
Where does the Westboro Baptist Chusrh come into it?
Where does the swindling ways of the tele-evangelicals come into it?

Is the crime only bad if it is violent?

Christianity has more than its fair share of nutjobs.

[blazee]

Damn, is this still going on? It has now deteriorated to the point that neither of you are adding anything of value, and simply repeating yourselves over and over. I suggest that you both accept that not everyone will agree on certain subjects and move on with your lives.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by blazee

I suggest that you both accept that not everyone will agree on certain subjects and move on with your lives.

Fair enough.
I just happen to click onto AF during a tea-break.
I just don't like the idea that some people think that if they aren't challenged, they are right.

[-Josh-]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

Cults are NOT = Christianity!

And i know a lot of Muslims who also say that "the extremists are NOT muslims"

I dont even know why drunken monkey was arguing with you guys, both religions were created by man, to me they're all garbage, so speaking with an unbiased perspective here's a few "Christian" problems.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cov...rm_of_the_Lord


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades

[kris]

Originally Posted by -Josh-

And i know a lot of Muslims who also say that "the extremists are NOT muslims"

I dont even know why drunken monkey was arguing with you guys, both religions were created by man, to me they're all garbage, so speaking with an unbiased perspective here's a few "Christian" problems.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Cov...rm_of_the_Lord


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_crusades

thegladhatter fails to recognize that the christian church is still probably the largest religion to commit such wide spread murder in history. Between the crusades and the witch hunts, the estimates are staggering.

The vast majority of people are bible illiterates. They only hear the palatable verses from the pulpit and blindly accept that the bible emanates goodness and is the word of God.

Any honest, thinking person reading through the bible cannot ignore the blatant misogyny and barbarity towards women. The eminent 'men of God" who wrote the bible were the product of patriarchal, tribal, violent, intolerant, monotheistic society. They reflect the ignorance and brutality of that society and at the dawn of a new millennium, fundamentalists insist that we should all abide by biblical law.

source

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by kris

The vast majority of people are bible illiterates. They only hear the palatable verses from the pulpit and blindly accept that the bible emanates goodness and is the word of God.

Any honest, thinking person reading through the bible cannot ignore the blatant misogyny and barbarity towards women. The eminent 'men of God" who wrote the bible were the product of patriarchal, tribal, violent, intolerant, monotheistic society. They reflect the ignorance and brutality of that society and at the dawn of a new millennium, fundamentalists insist that we should all abide by biblical law.

Please Read: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=935213

Please don't forget to quote your source of info when paraphrasing or cut/pasting! http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/womenbible.htm

[kris]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Please Read: http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=935213

Please don't forget to quote your source of info when paraphrasing or cut/pasting! http://www.atheistfoundation.org.au/womenbible.htm

Didn't see the sticky, thanks for the PM.

[thegladhatter]

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

Yet another bunch of peaceful muslims…..


Official: US sea captain freed in swift firefight

Apr 12 02:09 PM US/Eastern
By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY and LARA JAKES
Associated Press Writers

MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) - An American ship captain was freed unharmed Sunday in a swift firefight that killed three of the four Somali pirates who had been holding him for days in a lifeboat off the coast of Africa, the ship's owner said and a U.S. official said.
A senior U.S. intelligence official said a pirate who had been involved in negotiations to free Capt. Richard Phillips but who was not on the lifeboat was in custody.
Phillips, 53, of Underhill, Vermont, was safely transported to a Navy warship nearby.
Maersk Line Limited President and CEO John Reinhart said in a news release that the U.S. government informed the company around 1:30 p.m. EDT Sunday that Phillips had been rescued. Reinhart said the company called Phillips' wife, Andrea, to tell her the news.
The U.S. official was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly and spoke on condition of anonymity. A Pentagon spokesman had no immediate comment.
When Phillips' crew heard the news aboard their ship in the port of Mombasa, they placed an American flag over the rail of the top of the Maersk Alabama and whistled and pumped their fists in the air. Crew fired a bright red flare into the sky from the ship.
A government official and others in Somali with knowledge of the situation had reported hours earlier that negotiations for Phillips' release had broken down.

[CL8]

Interesting that the article mentions nothing about those pirates being Muslim.
Those come from the same line as the Barbary pirates T Jefferson fought against. (the ones who co-erced the U.S. to sign a document saying we were not a Christian nation!)
And to think Obama believes you can talk and negotiate with people like this!
He is in for a rude awakening!

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by CL8

Interesting that the article mentions nothing about those pirates being Muslim.

That is true, however, it is implied since just about all Somali citizens are Sunni Muslim. We had many Somali workers when I was stationed in Saudi Arabia and they were all Muslim and went to the 5 prayers daily.

I don't believe the Somali pirates are doing their dirty deeds based on the Islamic religion or operating as Islamic extremists but of course you never know for sure. Obviously they are doing it for monetary gain like any other pirate(s).