Palin chosen as McCain's VP

[VR43000GT]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

Bnaylor's a ramblin' man.

You're just upset because the people you like don't do anything good for the country.

Kids, do you want to get along? As far as I have seen from both sides, regardless of what I think, each has done their part in presenting their side. Though there were times I thought that a statement could have been presented better on someone's part and/or was presented to appear fact when in fact was an opinion, each person was presenting their side of the debate. I enjoy thoroughly reading these debates as I believe it gives an equilibrium to our ideologies. However, that sounds like something I would hear from a 3rd grader who was arguing the fact of whether or not the color blue is cool. While one the same side, I don't know if I would have written, "you will be in the losers section" (rough translation), but at least that is a true hold fact. Go ahead and find something that should be omit that was posted by me, as I am sure anyone can do hear as they have no problem expressing that about anyone else. I would just say, try to express yourself in a way in which you sound credible.

[2strokebloke]

I'm just taking his words and spitting them back at him.

He says I'm rambling when I bring up observations of practical work done by the candidates for the United States - but he can't seem to bring up any major contributions to our society from his own favorites.

So in short, Palin, McCain, Obama and Biden have done nothing of importance for us compared to Nader (and maybe even Barr).
You can say what you want about Palin's near total lack of experience, or McCain's good intention but failure to deliver, or Obama, etc. - but practical results are really the only thing that matter.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

Bnaylor's a ramblin' man.

You're just upset because the people you like don't do anything good for the country.

If you want to play childish games continue rambling on. I'm all ears.

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

FYI, I generally vote Rep. on the local and state level. I'm a pretty reserved person granted, and so typically am more swayed towards the right side of things than the left. But I'm not blind, I can see the facts about air pollution - and anybody can write them off - but it doesn't change the fact of the matter. I know oil is a finite resource - and anybody can say it isn't - but that doesn't change the fact of the matter.

Based on that oxymoronic explanation you're more of an enigma than I originally thought. Regardless, from what I see you are not a true Conservative/Republican so it doesn't make sense why you vote Republican or shift more to the right than left. More like a confused wannabe but if I were in your shoes I would rethink my political ideology or identity.

[2strokebloke]

So what do you think? Is it wrong for McCain to give more precedence to the facts about energy and air pollution, than to his party which maintains there is no problem?

I don't see what's wrong with respecting a man for not being blind.

I also think you should spend less time writing about nothing, and maybe bring up some practical solid reasons why you're voting for McCain - instead of just resorting to that he's less worse than Obama.

[thrasher]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

If you want to play childish games continue rambling on. I'm all ears.



Based on that oxymoronic explanation you're more of an enigma than I originally thought. Regardless, from what I see you are not a true Conservative/Republican so it doesn't make sense why you vote Republican or shift more to the right than left. More like a confused wannabe but if I were in your shoes I would rethink my political ideology or identity.

There are people who don't vote strictly along party lines...hard to believe, I know. Some of us vote for who we think is going to make the world a better place regardless of political association, rather than what letter they have behind their name in parentheses on CNN.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by 2strokebloke

I also think you should spend less time writing about nothing, and maybe bring up some practical solid reasons why you're voting for McCain - instead of just resorting to that he's less worse than Obama.

I could really care less what you think and I don't have to justify to you or anyone else the whys or who I vote for. I vote for the Republican Party based on my political beliefs, ideology, upbringing, way of life, education, and social views. And from what I can see unlike you or others stay consistent in that. Unfortunately the reality of politics and life in this country is we have a two party system that has been with us for a while and here to stay. If you can't accept that fact then that is not my problem. Go ahead and piss away your vote on Nader.

[2strokebloke]

So basically you vote for who you do because you don't care. If you're only justification for voting for McCain is that he's republican - that's really, really sad. More so because he's broken with the party on many issues in the past, and will probably do so in the future.

Don't tell me I'm pissing away my vote when the only reason you vote for the people you do is because they're the same brand you always use.

There are people who don't vote strictly along party lines...hard to believe, I know. Some of us vote for who we think is going to make the world a better place regardless of political association, rather than what letter they have behind their name in parentheses on CNN

Some of us, remarkably, aren't the kinds of people who only wear one size fits all clothing, or go to a buffet just because we want four servings of french fries. Some of us utilize our freedom of choice, and put it to good use.
Voting for one party, and only for the people within one party is as stupid as buying everything in your house from one store.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by SL3000gt

And KustmAce, it's HILARIOUS! Didn't you get a kick out of all those millions of pictures that made fun of George Bush? The ones that made him look like a monkey etc? And all the skits played out to make fun of him? Give me a break...

[KustmAce]

Wow this thread took a turn.

So many threads about this election, maybe we could keep each on its titled topic? Hm?

BACK ON TRACK:

The more I have been reading about Palin lately, the scarier she is turning out to be. Like a Cheney reincarnate.

Oh so many things to talk about:

-Troopergate. It is disconcerning to me that a gubernatorial candidate rallies on the "hold me accountable" cry, and then when it comes time to hold her accountable, she, and all her people, back away. No one has showed up to the hearings. Even her own husband ignored his subpoena. Hey, that sets a really good example for America. If I think the charges are baloney, I'll just ignore the subpoena. If she is innocent, why are they delaying the investigation? Why is no one testifying? She is corrupt.

-Forcing a library to ban books she deems objectionable? And then trying to fire the librarian when she says no? The is reform? Thanks...but no thanks...

-"I told Congress, 'Thanks, but no thanks,' on that Bridge to Nowhere,"

Really? Did you now? Seems to me you lobbied hard for it. Seems to me once it started taking flak, you flopped, turned on your fellow supporters, and denounced them as porkbarrel spenders. Seems to me, you didn't give the money back either...

-And how about the $15 million dollar hockey rink. Maverick huh? I guess it takes a maverick to break ground on a site that doesn't even belong to you yet. Takes a maverick to drive up the cost additional millions in court fees. Now, what were you guys saying about how shes fought pork spending?

-Speaking of pork spending, how about the thousands she spent on giving her office a make over. Unapproved.

-Finally, why is the GOP keeping her so quiet? Why hasnt she addressed any of these issues? What in the hell is she hiding? Or is it because every interview she has done, she looks like a complete, and utter, idiot.

I can and will cite all of this information on request. I don't do it right away because the blind right-wingers will denounce any article that criticizes any republican in any way as "biased liberal media", so it seems rather moot to provide any sources.

And I am sure that someone, actually I am pretty sure I know exactly who, will just declare that I am spouting biased liberal left wing talking points. But open your eyes man. This shit really happened. She did these things. She is a liar, she is a crook, she double-crossed her own party and supporters, many times. She is NOT a reformer. She is NOT a maverick. All she is, is a master of spin. That is all.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by KustmAce

-Finally, why is the GOP keeping her so quiet? Why hasnt she addressed any of these issues? What in the hell is she hiding? Or is it because every interview she has done, she looks like a complete, and utter, idiot.

Where have you been? Isn't there a debate between Biden and Palin coming up? She was in New York last week with the United Nations. What about the interviews with Katie Couric and CBS? No worse than "put your foot in your mouth" Biden.

Originally Posted by KustmAce

I can and will cite all of this information on request. I don't do it right away because the blind right-wingers will denounce any article that criticizes any republican in any way as "biased liberal media", so it seems rather moot to provide any sources.

The problem is anything you could post up to support your position comes from the liberal media or similar sources so what do you expect. But if you insist bring it on!

Originally Posted by KustmAce

And I am sure that someone, actually I am pretty sure I know exactly who, will just declare that I am spouting biased liberal left wing talking points. But open your eyes man. This shit really happened. She did these things. She is a liar, she is a crook, she double-crossed her own party and supporters, many times. She is NOT a reformer. She is NOT a maverick. All she is, is a master of spin. That is all.

Sure sounds like liberal left wing talking points to me. No better or worse than Obama.

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

Where have you been? Isn't there a debate between Biden and Palin coming up? She was in New York last week with the United Nations. What about the interviews with Katie Couric and CBS? No worse than "put your foot in your mouth" Biden.

Exactly the reply I expected. Where have I been? I have been waiting for her to speak up. She has done TWO public interviews now. Wow. Biden has done what now, 80 since being nominated? No BNaylor, it is much worse that put-your-foot-in-your-mouth Biden.

The problem is anything you could post up to support your position comes from the liberal media or similar sources so what do you expect. But if you insist bring it on!

HAHAHAHAHA. Thats the most blatantly blind ludicrous right wing rhetoric I have ever heard. "Anything that supports your position comes from liberal media"

Ok then, what sources are not "left-wing". Ill cite these stories from there, because like I said, this isnt the left wing propaganda, these are true.

Sure sounds like liberal left wing talking points to me. No better or worse than Obama.

Is that it? I keep scrolling down hoping you have written more. I thought you would have addressed my points.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by KustmAce

HAHAHAHAHA. Thats the most blatantly blind ludicrous right wing rhetoric I have ever heard. "Anything that supports your position comes from liberal media"

Ok then, what sources are not "left-wing". Ill cite these stories from there, because like I said, this isnt the left wing propaganda, these are true.

My vision is 20/20 and I was old enough to vote in the last election.

Instead of copping out post what you have. Don't expect us right wingers to do the work for you.

[KustmAce]

Originally Posted by BNaylor

My vision is 20/20 and I was old enough to vote in the last election.

Instead of copping out post what you have. Don't expect us right wingers to do the work for you.

HA! All your telling me is there are no media sources that you wouldn't call "liberal".

[VR43000GT]

Well Kustm, I propose you post up your sources and let everyone decide. It is pretty obvious who is a more liberal source and who is a more conservative source of information. And to be honest, that is a fair concern to see your sources when you do in fact have not a conservatice idea that I have ever seen you post. Which if you are 100% lib across the board that is fine, it's your choice. We'd just like to see where the sources are coming from.