american engine all the way

[dropshop]

Originally posted by mellowboy


I definatley agree on that. Seriously man turbo is really hard to maintain and its gonna cost you even more. Tell me if i'm rite or wrong?

WRONG maintenance of a turbo is nil
i havent touched mine in the year its been on the car
and turbos can be had cheep and put on cheep

there is no extra maintenace than an NA motor
change oil, tranny fliud and coolant regularly,
check plugs and wires every30k
and yer done just like any other motor

[mellowboy]

My friend has fully built gsr motor and he convinced me to go NA. He's having lots of problems with his. Hes capable of running 20-22 lbs of boost but he can cause he has to reprogram his ecu. He just keeps getting worried that it'll mess up on him one day. His bro have the same set up and he's goin through the same shit. Ask anyone that a NA is much easier to maintain than turbo. U have to keep babying the turbo.

[DRCustom]

Your turbo may still work now, but without the extra TLC that a turbo engine needs, it won't last long if you keep treating it like an NA motor.

The B series motors are definitely better all around.
Theres alot more differences than just DOHC and VTEC, it's an entirely different beast compared to the D series.

Oh yeah, cheap isn't spelled cheep.

[amy@af]

Originally posted by DRCustom


The B series motors are definitely better all around.
Theres alot more differences than just DOHC and VTEC, it's an entirely different beast compared to the D series.

that is all personal opinion. i can easily sit here and say the d series is all around better.

lets take the same amount of money and see who gets further. it's all about money. period. you say save the money for a b series. so some scrimps and saves and then drops it in. you want to turbo that b series? hahaha, now you're scrimping and saving again. scratch the turbo. so you think about rebuilding bigger. you tell me what parts (for any kind of rebuild job) for a b series that are going to be cheaper.

price any aftermarket part for a b & d series and tell me d is more expensive.

now lets get to the real killer. assuming you do your own swaps at this point....save up for that b series, drop it in, and then god forbid you blow it up. now what are you going to do? save again for another?

i blow up my d series (v-tec or non) and i laugh. throw it in gutter, go buy another. $250-500 (depending on vtec or not) and in 7 hrs of play time and i'm up and running again...and don't forget every last one of my aftermarket parts (including turbo) is universal to d series.

ami

[Bleebdat]

this issue has gone too far =] d = cheaper more compatible and the better choice to about 180 hp b= more expensive, more complicated to get in and working, but has more potential. As for turbo's, you all are saying they need more care, but name the one extra thing you have to do maintenance wise to keep it running perfectly. NOTHING and the guy with the gsr pushing 22psi is causing problems by pushing his b series that far, it would be the same if he went NA and put in 12.5 comp pistons.

[branman_crx_guy]

First of all Landynred, I think ur listening to just a little bit too much Eazy E. As for this whole B vs D, I dont have a clue, cause Im still learning. All I know is that most ppl around where i live have got ricey ass mustangs, camaros, and way too many gay sunfires, and they would all be super impressed and easily destroyed by a B16A with just I/E/H, so thats y im doin the swap. Plus its only gonna cost my $2k to get it installed. I think that both r great engines, it just depends on how patient u r: im very impatient and dont wanna waste time and money on an engine thats only gonna give me like +20 hp. But thats just me, im stupid, young (only 17), and i wanna kick ass now. Thats y im goin B. Well thats all, hope my crap makes a least some sense.

[DRCustom]

I agree that dollar for dollar, you may have a point, but that's still debateable. Taking your turbo into account, your D series cost close to, if not more than a B series. A well built B series will outlast your boosted, stock, D series, so in the long run (a few d's later), who wins? Not to mention that's time the B series is out having a good time, while you're in the garage getting greasy.
There are also the benefits of having a NA motor.

It's not only a matter of opinion (unless your pocketbook has something to say about it) when it come to quality. The b16a was designed for abuse, and to have NA output comparabe to a motor with turbo. Everything about the motor is built with hell in mind. The d16 was also built for some hard driving, but not all out like the b16a.

There are a few differences that clearly set the B series apart from the D series, and the tranny is undenyably better in the B series.
Here is some info about the b16a, it is being compared to a ZC...

"The Block construction is very well engineered. With the better block webbing and the combination of the transaxle webbing, and bottom end construction - this engine is well within abilities of 9000 rpm on the stock bottom end. Oil passage ways well support this engine and have room to sustain the higher rpm's. Water passage inlet and outlet and passageways are somewhat larger also to efficienty assist in cooling the engine. The Clutch Diameter is larger, with the Mating Engine and Transaxle Bell Housings larger than similarly equipped 1.6l Honda models to incorporate the larger clutch kit and flywheel.

The Head is a unique build alltogether. Suporting a unique, Honda Engineered, Variable Timing System...","...The valvetrain within the B16A head is an entire redesign of the DOHC valvetrain of the previous 1.6l DOHC ZC engine. Valves are larger, ports more generous, Head and Manifold combinations are designed for high-rpm, high throttle response, and with acceleration in mind...","...The aluminum cylinder block is a closed-deck, deep-skirt design for high rigidity. The transmission side of the block is heavily reinforced to improve total powerplant stiffness. Iron liners are cast in the block. The forged steel crankshaft carries eight counterweights, its journals are finely polished, and it is supported by mirror-finished main bearings. The crankshaft is fitted with a torsional damper within the accessory drive pulley. Lightweight pistons and connecting rods are used in the new engine; the insides of the former are oil-jet cooled. Camshafts are of Honda's new cast steel alloy with high carbon and chromium contents. Valves are also of new heat-resistant alloy with molybdenum and titanium additions..."

[91zc]

Originally posted by LadyNRedSi


that is all personal opinion. i can easily sit here and say the d series is all around better.

lets take the same amount of money and see who gets further. it's all about money. period. you say save the money for a b series. so some scrimps and saves and then drops it in. you want to turbo that b series? hahaha, now you're scrimping and saving again. scratch the turbo. so you think about rebuilding bigger. you tell me what parts (for any kind of rebuild job) for a b series that are going to be cheaper.

price any aftermarket part for a b & d series and tell me d is more expensive.

now lets get to the real killer. assuming you do your own swaps at this point....save up for that b series, drop it in, and then god forbid you blow it up. now what are you going to do? save again for another?

i blow up my d series (v-tec or non) and i laugh. throw it in gutter, go buy another. $250-500 (depending on vtec or not) and in 7 hrs of play time and i'm up and running again...and don't forget every last one of my aftermarket parts (including turbo) is universal to d series.

ami

Hehehe...you make some good points. However, I can laugh if I blow up my b series as well. I will just go out and purchase another longblock for 400-600. It might be a little bit more but not much more than buying another d series. The whole b vs d thing has gotten well out of hand. There is never going to be a definitve answer to which is better. Choose the one series you like and work with it. Both will make lots of power with the right amount of money and work.

[amy@af]

Originally posted by branman_crx_guy
First of all Landynred, I think ur listening to just a little bit too much Eazy E.

LOL...ummm, sorry...i guess that was too old skool for you. i guess i have to throw eminem around the new skool

you know what the d vs. b has gotten out of hand. why? because people are finally taking a stand for the d series. people are sick of the trendy b series being shoved down their throats.

it's not rocket science why DOHC owners are offended when SOHC's can smoke 'em.

i'm not going to sit here and chase my tail in an endless debate. you go ahead and keep your b16. and i'll keep my d series. i know what they can do...i fear no b series

[branman_crx_guy]

And I fear no girl racers who think there the sh*t :finger:

J/K, nothin but luv for ya, but noone and i mean noone shall roll there eyes for eminem, he's my idol.

I think it doesnt matter wat engine's better, and we shouldnt fight over it. As long as you can smoke stangs and camaros, who gives a f**k wat engine u got? A kill is a kill in my book. :frog:

[krondor22]

I must say that the youngest person on this post bran has it right let the hondas unite let b and d series come togehter and smoke the piss out of every v-8 there is haha all you v8s see you on the black top im out:finger: