All Marlboro Decals being withdrawn

[rsxse240]

I started smoking WAY back when, and never was I infulenced to smoke by advertisement. Rather, it was peer pressure, and now that I'm 32 years old, I wish that I had never started in the first place. I also regeret ever being friends with some of those that pushed me into it.

As for historically correct builds, you cannot build a sunoco '69 camaro without the sunoco decals, otherwise it would just be a blue camaro with a bad @$$ engine. The history NEEDS to be preserved.

I just can't wait to see when playtex tampon company sponsors a F-1 car! hahaha!!

[appleseed]

My argument is this- if these decals were indeed identified as a form of advertisement aimed at children, why didn't the tobacco watch groups take the initiative to contact those who are creating/distributing the logos rather than PM themselves? I would further argue that these after-market decals are not aimed for the mass audience classified as 'children' either.

Marlboro is a brand. One associates an image as well as a lifestyle with it. It cost PM alot of money to create this brand and does not want others utilizing it in a manner inconsistent with their vision of what Marlboro should represent. Look up 'Marlboro Friday' and you'll see why PM would want to protect this brand.

Put it differently, if someone took someone else's alias and utilized it on the same board, would you want to take action against them? You are basically taking away their 'brand' and identity away from them. You have an expectation or understanding of what this 'alias' is all about and anyone misrepresenting them would undo all the hard work you've put into building that 'brand'.

Does PM want Marlboro associated with specialty scale models? Doesn't look like it.

[exhaust smoke]

Just saw this thread. To be honest, I am not surprised. It is a matter, which would rear it's head sooner or later. As Steve said, it is impossible to know who has the permission to reproduce their logo's or not.

Steve, would you be able to get your money back for unsold stock? Otherwise, this will be really unfair on you!!

[agamo]

Steve:

Are you sure about the source of that e-mail requesting withdrawn? Couldn’t just be a kind of spam anti/tobacco campaign?
I just can not imagine PM calling or sending e-mails to every store/online store in the world, selling stuff with the logo on it, but spamers, they do.

I do not doubt PM be taking action to protect their logos, but the right thing to do would be addressing their claim directly to the manufacturer, then the manufacturer forward this to their distributors or recall the offending products.

It is strange...

[Hiroboy]

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[agamo]

I would call PM, Legal affairs dept. to check this info anyway, before withdrawing anything.

[RallyRaider]

All this is, is Philip Morris making sure they are seen to be protecting their trademark. They don't really give a damn about Hiroboy selling their decals. But if some time down the track there should be a real problem with their trademark they can use letters such as the above to demonstrate their exercising ownership of their property.

It's all corporate bullshit and arrogantly US-centric. Quoting US legislation to a UK resident is small minded stupidity. But in the end Steve's actions are correct, quit giving them free publicity.

On a more practical note, for heavens sake make sure you don't lose any money by disposing of old stock Steve. If the lawyers give you a hassle, offer to sell them your old stock at cost plus postage and handling, otherwise keep selling them until current stocks are exhausted.

[agamo]

I didn’t see it this way, but yes, I think you’re totally right Phil !
I would follow Phil’s advice in regards of old stock.

[RallyRaider]

I'm no lawyer, but having a quick squizz at the sections of the Lanham Act quoted they haven't a leg to stand on as far as common sense can be applied. Where is the confusion in selling decals that are designed for scale models that Marlboro did indeed sponsor? How is the Marlboro trademark being misrepresented by reproducing an historical fact?

The trademark is not being used as a brand to sell goods, it is the graphic design itself that is being sold under the manufacturer's own brand. Since I don't believe Philip Morris are in the business of printing aftermarket decals for racecars then how are they being damaged?

Perhaps they can demand licensing fees but given the precedent of them actually paying to have their trademark plastered on moving F1 billboards in the past, how can they now clam to be damaged by the same thing happening for free in scale?

Bastards, the sooner revolution comes and they go up against the wall the better.

[klutz_100]

Well, here's one in PM's eye

[DVST8R]

Now I feel like Burger King! LOL!

I think its crazy. Does anyone know how this will affect the companies selling Marlin Boron decals?

[cyberkid]

Originally Posted by rsxse240

I started smoking WAY back when, and never was I infulenced to smoke by advertisement. Rather, it was peer pressure, and now that I'm 32 years old, I wish that I had never started in the first place. I also regeret ever being friends with some of those that pushed me into it.

As for historically correct builds, you cannot build a sunoco '69 camaro without the sunoco decals, otherwise it would just be a blue camaro with a bad @$$ engine. The history NEEDS to be preserved.

I just can't wait to see when playtex tampon company sponsors a F-1 car! hahaha!!

but I started wayyyyy younger than you... I started in me mommy's tummy. Second hand all the way till peer pressure turned me into a first hand smoker.
I don't build models with any tabacco or alchohol markings. No particular reason. I just don't.
I do agree however on what you said about being historically correct. Hrm... tampon sponsered F-1... now there'ssss an idea opcorn:

[brady_381need72c10]

Originally Posted by klutz_100

Well, here's one in PM's eye

where did you find them pics at?

[Jay!]

Originally Posted by Hiroboy

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I missed what these images were, but I have a hypothetical question that is completely unrelated to the Marlboro logos, brand or Phillip Morris in any way:

Could you sell me some "ro bo rl Ma" and red triangle decals? I could pick up a pair of decal scissors at the same time, I guess...