GTP vs. Mazdaspeed 6/w mods

[jericho941]

Originally Posted by -The Stig-

Out of all those, only one is categorised as a stock vehicle, and that's #11, which ran a 13.7 @ 99mph. Looking at their 60' times, it seems these guys are dumping the clutches and letting the AWD do it's thing. I question the longevity of these drive trains in the near future from these tarmac launches.

#13 is a stock car... unless you include 17" wheels and tires as a bolt-on. Like I said, it is a small sampling, one site, find more if you want. 13.7's and 13.8's on up are definitely more common than 13.5's stock.

Oh they are LAUNCHING the cars, all of them are, but not "dumping"... more like feathering. They are revving up to 4000-5000 at the line, I won't argue that point at all.

The longevity is fine driven right. People who DO DUMP exessively can break an axel. Research what that does to ANY AWD car.

[CassiesMan]

TINY HBUKLELe TPROOGF SHIELD!

[jeepgclwj]

How about post some of your times or STFU.....Nobody cares about MS6 except for you. Post some of your personal times your moded so you should be able to hit low 13's. You come on here because you got butt hurt that I posted a race with a car that you drive that I happened to not get beat by.

Go back to your Mazda forum so all of you can continue to stroke each others peckers and tell each other about how fast your cars are......

[Gotian]

Wow okay my turn, I knew he was gonna bring up that 13.5XX on the website. Now you have to sit down and pay attention, that 13.5XX that you fanboys praise so much is never going to happen stock. Not even a proffessional driver over at M/T or R/T were able to get anything better than a 13.8 so what makes you think any other person could get the 13.5 stock, not to mention the fact that when the magazines test the cars they are either paid off or the cars are slightly tweeked to get the better numbers (cause numbers sell here in america)

I wasnt going to say anything till you dissed my car and then argued with my friends. You said that you didnt buy the RX-8 cause the numbers are lower than the MS6 so instead you spent another 6-8k just for the numbers....real smart. Let me explain something to you, take for example the rx8 and the 350z, the 350 has the bigger numbers in both torque and horsepower and yet it is only about 1/4-1/2 a car faster down a quarter mile, why's that? cause the 350 weights almost 200-300 pounds more than the rx does not to mention the gearing on the 350z is better for quick acceleration. But what happens when you go futher past the 1/4 mile? The rx-8 will catch up and eventually pull past the 350z when you get to 120-130mph, why? because the rx has better gearing for top end and slightly better aerodynamics then the 350. On top of that, you got a car that has more HP and TQ but it is still not faster around a track then the RX-8. What does this have to do with the MS6 and the GTP? Nothing really, just thought i would defend my car first. But jeez for the price you paid for the MS6 you shouldve gotten an 06 GTO, its faster, better interior, more comfortable, and easier to drive.
Oh and I'm so glad you guys wer waiting for me to come on and say this stuff.

Now I must congradulate you though, you bought the worst performance car mazda has ever made, it's over priced, not too good on their interior, should have better handling since its AWD, oh wait, it's not a full time AWD it only comes in when you lose too much traction, oh wait, by that time its already too late and you've f-up the race! Should be faster with those number, to bad its a cow...these cars sell very poorly, which is why mazda had to hurry and make the MS3 because they new a lighter, lower grounded hatchback would sell much better and they would be able to make the money the lost trying to sell the MS6. Im a big fan of mazda, but they dropped the ball with that car only to pick it back up with the MS3 and wash it while saying "Clean, Clean, still not Clean!"

Oh and yes, tires do count as a mod because with the proper tires im sure you could change the 13.8 to a 13.7 maybe even a 13.6 if you really enjoy smelling a burnt clutch and transmission.

[-The Stig-]

Actually, Car and Driver just tested the new 350z and the RX-8 along with the new Audi TT and Ford Shelby GT (the over priced GT), and the 350z ran a 13.7 @ 104mph, the RX-8 ran 15.0 @ 93mph. Also, they have the 350z quoted as being limited at 156mph, while the RX-8 is limited at 144mph.

350z > RX-8

Despite that, they still picked the RX-8 as their number 1 car out of the 4.
Which pisses me off, even though out of the 4 cars it performed the worst on average. They still chose it as their favorite... sometimes I wonder why I read these magazines.

I mean, those cars you buy to drive fast and you learn to deal with the parts that suck about them. Every car has it's flaws. A Lamborghini Gallardo is a fast car, ment to be driven fast, but it sucks ass to park because you can't see out the back... do we care? Hell no.


... sorry, back on topic.

The MazdaSpeed 6, if you can provide video proof of how a 3589lbs car, with 274hp. Is running mid 13's with ONLY a trap speed of 99mph mind you. With a car such as the new 350z, which as stated above 13.7 @ 104mph with 306hp, and 3340lbs itself.

Not to mention other AWD cars such as the STI and the EVO IX. They're solid mid-13 second cars when driven right. They're both making 287hp and 293hp respectively. Not much more than the Mazda in reality, but they're lighter, 3351lbs for the STI and 3274lbs for the EVO.

Rule of thumb for drag racing is, for every 100lbs of weight you subtract .1 off your ET. If you do the math, the Mazda is already .238 slower than the STI. Which is tested at 13.4 @ 102mph according to Car and Driver earlier this year.

I'm just not seeing how a heavier car, with less power is trapping 13.5 with only 99mph trap.

And we all know the Mazda wasn't created to chase after the Rally powerhouses from Subaru or Mitsubishi. It was designed more to compete with the likes of the BMW 330xi, Audi A4 Quattros and Subaru Legacy GT... and maybe a Mercedes-Benz 320 4matic.

Now, the MazdaSpeed 3... now there's the car to watch out for, but that's another thread all together.

[Gotian]

Originally Posted by -The Stig-

Actually, Car and Driver just tested the new 350z and the RX-8 along with the new Audi TT and Ford Shelby GT (the over priced GT), and the 350z ran a 13.7 @ 104mph, the RX-8 ran 15.0 @ 93mph. Also, they have the 350z quoted as being limited at 156mph, while the RX-8 is limited at 144mph.

350z > RX-8

Despite that, they still picked the RX-8 as their number 1 car out of the 4.
Which pisses me off, even though out of the 4 cars it performed the worst on average. They still chose it as their favorite... sometimes I wonder why I read these magazines.

I mean, those cars you buy to drive fast and you learn to deal with the parts that suck about them. Every car has it's flaws. A Lamborghini Gallardo is a fast car, ment to be driven fast, but it sucks ass to park because you can't see out the back... do we care? Hell no.


... sorry, back on topic.

The MazdaSpeed 6, if you can provide video proof of how a 3589lbs car, with 274hp. Is running mid 13's with ONLY a trap speed of 99mph mind you. With a car such as the new 350z, which as stated above 13.7 @ 104mph with 306hp, and 3340lbs itself.

Not to mention other AWD cars such as the STI and the EVO IX. They're solid mid-13 second cars when driven right. They're both making 287hp and 293hp respectively. Not much more than the Mazda in reality, but they're lighter, 3351lbs for the STI and 3274lbs for the EVO.

Rule of thumb for drag racing is, for every 100lbs of weight you subtract .1 off your ET. If you do the math, the Mazda is already .238 slower than the STI. Which is tested at 13.4 @ 102mph according to Car and Driver earlier this year.

I'm just not seeing how a heavier car, with less power is trapping 13.5 with only 99mph trap.

And we all know the Mazda wasn't created to chase after the Rally powerhouses from Subaru or Mitsubishi. It was designed more to compete with the likes of the BMW 330xi, Audi A4 Quattros and Subaru Legacy GT... and maybe a Mercedes-Benz 320 4matic.

Now, the MazdaSpeed 3... now there's the car to watch out for, but that's another thread all together.

nice info on the newly released 350's but i was referring to the more common previous 350's not this one where they have a dual intake system now, BTW did they completely change the engines on those?

Oh and the most common time for an RX-8 is about 14.7, though there are people who managed a 14.5XX completely stock, but they also feathered from 7-7.5k

[Chiquae07]

gotian, here is a quick article on it. it sounds like a whole new beast.

Originally Posted by YAHOO UK

What we do know is that there have been extensive mechanical revisions made to the flagship 350Z sport coupé. Nissan has fitted nearly 80 per cent new engine parts to the 'next generation' 3.5-litre V6 engine, boosting power to 309bhp at 6800rpm and torque to 264lb.ft at 4800rpm.

Nissan claims to have achieved this by employing a wider operating range for the variable intake and variable valve timing systems, as well as a common length exhaust manifold to reduce back pressure. Those changes supposedly act to boost low and mid-range torque.

The introduction of a second knock sensor, an asymmetric piston pattern, improved cylinder cooling and iridium spark plugs are said to improve efficiency of the ignition cycle, while an increase in compression ratio from 10.3 to 10.6 has been key in liberating more top end power.

Engineers have also increased maximum engine speed by 500rpm to 7500rpm via a larger crank journal and crank pin. At the bottom of the engine, a ladder frame has been added to stiffen the crankcase and reduce vibration.

Despite these changes, weight and fuel consumption are said to remain unchanged, but the engine's centre of gravity has been lowered by 15mm. This is likely to further improve the car's already renowned composure around bends. The 350Z has also seen a change in standard tyre fitment and is now equipped with Bridgestone Potenza RE050A's, a tyre Ferrari uses on some of its models.

The 350Z's bonnet, subtly redesigned to accommodate the new powerplant, is reminiscent of that of its forebear, the iconic 240Z. Three new exterior colours will be offered: Temper Orange (said to contain a subtle green 'flip'), Precision Grey, and Night Blue. These will complement a new 'frost grey' interior trim, whose pale tone is meant to add a touch of sophistication to the car's interior. Active headrests have also been fitted to the seats to minimise the chance of neck injury in a rear impact.

[Gotian]

sounds good, so it's safe to assume that the engine is completely different?