Who is more powerfull, Me or god?

[RickwithaTbird]

Originally Posted by 2_Late_I_Won

I really don't know where to start. If all these "impossible" things happened just by chance and over an infinity amount of times and time. While one thing was being formed such as the solar system. Now once that was "formed" you have to wait billions and billions of years (because it just happened to form out of chance thats near imposable so that intern would take all those years for trial and error to get it just right)....Now we have earth. Next billions and billions of years we have algae billions and billions of years later we have a fish. All the way up till now. We have humans okay. Don't you think during that whole process of trillions of years of probability one of those thing would have failed or died off.

If I shoot a basketball from the opposite end of the basketball court and make it to win the game by one point; there are at least a hundred different factors that could have been slightly altered to change the outcome of the shot. What are the odds that it was even going to be the game winning shot? I mean, if anybody on my team had missed 1 more shot during the whole game, my shot would not have won the game even if I made it. If the other team had made one more shot, I would not have won the game. Hell, if that was the case I may not have even taken the shot. If the star player on my team was never born 20 years ago we may have missed several more shots and lost the game. If I was in a car accident before the game then I would have never even had the chance to shoot the ball. If a different sperm than me made it to the egg first..... But all those IFS don't prove that God made the shot for me. All they prove is that the IFS did not happen and I made the shot. The only reason I strayed off topic is because you are severely missing the point with the 1 in a gazillion chance that earth was in the right spot. If it was not in the right spot, you wouldn't be here. But Earth still would.



Meanwhile back on the ranch.... Am I more powerful than God because I have the choice to believe in him? An utterly useless and endless question, but none the less philosophical if you ask me. So for the sake of philosophy, I will interject with my thoughts.

If you have the power to create a god by belief, then I believe said god is more powerful than you. I feel this way because if you truly believe the god is real, your mind is now under the influence of the god you have created. Let's say Mankind did in fact invent christianity. Our belief in God is what controls us. (this is assuming WE/US are believers) In this light, it seems as if it is our belief, which is more powerful than me/you or the god we have created. But that isn't the question you pose. The controlling factor of the question is that the god WILL in fact exist upon belief. I don't imagine you would believe in a god less powerful than you. If you DID, then the question would be stupid.

But now let's say you DON'T believe. By not believeing, in accordance to the original question there would cease to be a God. I'm assuming that is where your question digs deepest. You think that if you have the power to destroy the god, then he is less powerful. But to me, if you destroy the god you destroy yourself. If there is nothing to believe in, what is there? Life and death? Is it amazing to live and die? No it is not. It merely means that you are fortunate. By using your ONLY power (to believe or not to believe) you have destroyed your god and you have destroyed anything which may have been spectacular about your life or pastlife.

This is why I think that the power to eliminate him/her is not an impressive one. When you believe and he is real, your god will possess infinitely greater power than you. When you destroy him, all your power is lost. Therefore it's a team effort, of which you are only the supporting role.

[Shpyder]

Originally Posted by RickwithaTbird

When you believe and he is real, your god will possess infinitely greater power than you. When you destroy him, all your power is lost. Therefore it's a team effort, of which you are only the supporting role.

That is an excellent point, one that factors in the very existence of God.

If you believe, then He is exists and is more powerful than you. If you chose not to believe, then His power in your life and mind are annulled. But that raises a sub-question to the main topic: what if He exists and you chose not to believe, thereby catapulating the concept of God onto the real playing field, and not just within your brain. E.g., I can sit butt naked in the snow outside, and tell myself that it isn't cold. But the snow is cold, and it will kill me by my refusal to recognize the existence of it's character.

[PWRDbyUNCLEbens]

First of all I'd like to say everyone has some great arguements, and I especially like reading LjasonL's posts.

It would seem to me this topic question is never-ending as it has many perspectives on which to view the question.

If you believe in God he is more powerful then you because you live your life with the thought of him in your mind.

However if you don't believe in god then there is no one to be more powerful then, and you don't have a question to ask.

The concept of being more powerful then god is true because ultimatley we the human being choose to believe or not believe in gods.

[mellowboy]

The proof of God is the form of the proof.

[Zerø]

This could go on forever, I think.

The whole concept behind faith is indeed to trust in something that you cnnot wholly prove, but that's only part of the relationship to between God and human. As stated, he doesn't need us to worship him, but would like us to...and actually, if you have ever been a true christian,(not just going to church simply to say you go), then you will know that christians are more than willing to do this. It's hard to explain the reasoning...kind of like a show of faith...sort of...I'm not so good with the putting the words together and them coming out a good thing o.O Also note that, according to common belief(and the bible...), we are not the only creatures in contact with God. There are angels as well...and actually, i one observes their behavior in the O.T., they will find it a mirror of how the ideal christian should act, and they do it willingly. That's the whole point...

This is, of course, assuming that the god in question is the Christian God...going on context clues, that's what it looks like.


And Moppie, food for thought: "I think, therefore I am."