Who is more powerfull, Me or god?

[AlbanyCartel]

God only exists because I say he/she/they exist. So, who truly has more power?

I am in sole control of his existence.


I mean, isn't it odd, the relationship we have with God; we worship him, yet he depends on us to survive.





Also, when I say "me/I", I mean mankind in general. -I'm cocky, but not that cocky.

[Broke_as_****]

I think the fundamental flaw in your thinking is the assumption that God needs humanity. If you think that then you have essentially declared God a construct of human society and that he never exisited anyway. A god that can create the Universe don't need shit from you.

I think what a lot of people arguing against the existence of a God kind of skew is that I don't think the Bible or any other religious text specifically states that God needs humans to worship him, he'd just like them too. Its a gesture giving humans free will to believe or not to believe but for those who "see the way to him" or what have you there is the reward of eternal happiness after life on Earth.

For the record I am mostly an agnostic with little to no belief whatsoever in any organized religion.

[twospirits]

interesting topic, and one that I have to agree with Albany.

If people did not talk about God, it would end up as never there in the first place. Thus making it true that he needs us for us to believe he exists. Now on the other hand, if God is the almighty being we seet him up to be, then he/she/it wouldn't give two flying hoots what we think , which could also be the case since so much crap is happening on our planet and yet it does not intervene to stop the bullshit and set us straight. Thats some parent if you ask me letting your children do whatever the hell they want and getting themselves killed over crap.

But thats just me and my


TS out

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by twospirits

If people did not talk about God, it would end up as never there in the first place. Thus making it true that he needs us for us to believe he exists.

I don't really see that. Going on the belief that God exists, there doesn't need to be a human alive that is even aware of that for God to exist. If you don't believe that God, as defined as the all powerful, exists then the entire discussion is moot, doesn't matter what anyone thinks. Like I said, if you believe that God only exists because humanity believes he does then you've essentially declared God doesn't exist.

Now on the other hand, if God is the almighty being we seet him up to be, then he/she/it wouldn't give two flying hoots what we think

I'd have to say that sounds like another flawed bit of thinking, at least in the context of established religious doctrine. Just because God is all powerful doesn't mean God doesn't give a fuck, power and apathy are not one in the same.

which could also be the case since so much crap is happening on our planet and yet it does not intervene to stop the bullshit and set us straight. Thats some parent if you ask me letting your children do whatever the hell they want and getting themselves killed over crap.

As I understand it the relationship of God/Earth/Humans is something like Earth is the trial round for the individual, we are put here to see how we act and depending on how we do we are judged to be worthy or not and sorted out into Heaven or Hell accordingly. Naturally not everyone is good so bad things do happen however if God were to step in and fix things it would nulify the purpose of this trial.

[AlbanyCartel]

What about Gods from other religions?

What if Zeus from the long forgotten ancient Greek mythology literally comes down and begins to judge us. Where would the beliefs of your current God go then?



Our Gods need us to survive, otherwise they will cease to exist like Zeus.

[Damien]

see, you're using the wrong words. simple english classes help here.

existence is not based on beliefs. i dont exist cause you believe i do. heck, youve never seen me. i could be ghost. in all honesty, i could be anything, but i do exist don't i?

so therefore, duh, He doesn't need our beliefs for Him to exist.As you said, no matter who it is, when someone comes for judgement, they still exist whether you believed in them or not.

Also, TS, come on man. God gave us freewill to choose what happens. there is no interference. it has nothing to do with how we act He'll punish us then. It's all for later. kinda like karma but instead of it happening overtime, it'll just happen when we die or He comes back down.

[driftinggrifter2]

As I understand it the relationship of God/Earth/Humans is something like Earth is the trial round for the individual, we are put here to see how we act and depending on how we do we are judged to be worthy or not and sorted out into Heaven or Hell accordingly. Naturally not everyone is good so bad things do happen however if God were to step in and fix things it would nulify the purpose of this trial.

Yes but in the bible he did help with humans causes in some cases. he didnt totally let them scrap for theirselves.

I think the fundamental flaw in your thinking is the assumption that God needs humanity. If you think that then you have essentially declared God a construct of human society and that he never exisited anyway.

think about how many dif forms of religion have come and gone just to be replaced with new ones. Religion is a way to explain the unexplainable since us humans have to have a answer for everything. or you can think of it as for all of humanity we have been worshipping the same god just in dif ways. depending on the times depends on how we needed toworship him. Paganism is the oldest form of documented religion
me i believe in a god just not one that is recoginized by any certain church

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Damien

existence is not based on beliefs. i dont exist cause you believe i do. heck, youve never seen me. i could be ghost. in all honesty, i could be anything, but i do exist don't i?

Do you?
Maybe you don't exist, maybe you are nothing more than a small part of a very large and complex construct of his imagination.
Or my imagination.
Reality is still a heavly disproven theory.

[AlbanyCartel]

I think the difference between my thinking and yours is that you seem to know He exist, that there is no doubt, and that He is definitely some entity.

However, from an empirical point of view, He does not. He is not a definite person or thing you can point and say "Hey, thats God". He doesn't leave any evidence of his existence (such as your posts) either.

He is a belief, and exists only through our beliefs.


Also, by evidence I mean irrefutable evidence. I don't want "God created Adam and Eve, and the world, and his "evidence" is all around us" type of stuff.

[Damien]

there's no evidence of anything and moppie, dont go off topic. you could argue anything with that.

as i was saying, thats why its a belief. but it doesnt make you more powerful. maybe here it could, your influence if you gain it. but youre not at sucha level as the bleif in Him is therefore this is a mute point. in order to be more powerful youd have to win over millions. and whether the potential is out there or not, it wont make you more powerful. considering, thats what this thread actually is about...base don title.

but existence is not based on belief. it's an actuality and not a technicality, therefore no matter what we believe, if He's there, He's there.

and what i left out was, what you mean is that His existence here on earth.

[Broke_as_****]

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

Yes but in the bible he did help with humans causes in some cases. he didnt totally let them scrap for theirselves.

The validity of the Bible aside, this topic was about Albany vs God in terms of power, therefore other religions and what supposedly happened thousands of years ago doesn't factor into it. Stay on topic.

Originally Posted by driftinggrifter2

think about how many dif forms of religion have come and gone just to be replaced with new ones. Religion is a way to explain the unexplainable since us humans have to have a answer for everything. or you can think of it as for all of humanity we have been worshipping the same god just in dif ways. depending on the times depends on how we needed toworship him. Paganism is the oldest form of documented religion
me i believe in a god just not one that is recoginized by any certain church

Thank you for that rambling, pointless literary abortion. Religion is a way to explain that which is not understood? Thanks Captain Obvious, tell your buddy Major Understatement that I said Hi.

Anyway, like Damien and I are trying to say:

If you think God only exists because you believe he does then you are basically saying he doesn't exist, therefore the question "Who is more powerful?" is totally moot. God would like you to worship him, he doesn't need you to though.

To believe in a God, as generally defined as an all powerful universe creator God, means you don't need any evidence, thats the whole point, thats why its called Faith. You're having faith that he is there despite the fact that you can't prove he is. If you need more than that then I would question how much you believed in him in the first place.

[driftinggrifter2]

alright brah, the first thing i posted was in reference to a statement that you yourself had made.
the second one whether it was a

rambling, pointless literary abortion

was still a opinion. i didn't put it there for someone to turn around be a sarcastic prick. if you dont like it or agree with it or even find it to be obvious then thats fine by me. but talkin shit or being sarcastic like that is not called for.

To believe in a God, as generally defined as an all powerful universe creator God, means you don't need any evidence, thats the whole point, thats why its called Faith. You're having faith that he is there despite the fact that you can't prove he is. If you need more than that then I would question how much you believed in him in the first place.

and you want to talk about me being captain obvious and shit

[driftinggrifter2]

The validity of the Bible aside, this topic was about Albany vs God in terms of power, therefore other religions and what supposedly happened thousands of years ago doesn't factor into it. Stay on topic.

in case you dont remember i wasnt the first one to bring up other religions

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Damien

there's no evidence of anything and moppie, dont go off topic. you could argue anything with that.

Rubbish, you made a metaphyiscal argument for his existance, and I countered it.

You claim existance is real, I say what is reality?
How can you really know anything exists?


Broke_as_**** You do realise the term "God" is very general, there are lots of monothiestic religions in the world.

[Moppie]

Originally Posted by Broke_as_****

Thank you for that rambling, pointless literary abortion. Religion is a way to explain that which is not understood? Thanks Captain Obvious, tell your buddy Major Understatement that I said Hi.

That rather pointless fecal outburst was rather uncalled for.
I suggest you get such future thoughts to yourself.