car comparisons: family sized hatchbacks in the UK.

[stamar]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

from what i gather, you are habitual buyer of high mileage old cars.
do you not think that any bad experiences you have had with certain cars might have something to do with this?

Um this is true.

I buy and sell about 5 cars a year.

High mileage meaning alway 60-120 k miles

Yes, because I see the cars used I value reliability. A used car that is the type that requires a lot of owner maintenence is a big risk to me by the time it is 5 years old.
So you see, the research I do into consumer reports is for used cars.

YES, this is what I research for, for the cars I buy. They are different than the cars you buy. I think we are communicating now.

I see list of 5 cars, to me I see all five five years old. I will buy your golf but not the other four. Lol, that is what I tried to say earlier.

Ok so you are asking why i buy used cars? I have bought a new car on financing in the past. I prospect the used car market. So, I buy low sell high.

I drive, I try to drive for free. I buy a car for half what it goes for, drive it and sell it. This is the goal.

[stamar]

Originally Posted by Jimster

Funny you say that about Porsche, all your precious ownership surveys (Top Gear, Auto Express, JD Power 3 year survey) put the Porsche 911 and Boxster towards the top in reliability (And even the crap cars like Peugeots 307 maintain at least a 65% mark for reliability.)

The US model VW Golf, Beetle and Jetta is made in Mexico, in a plant that until fairly recently churned out the original Air cooled VW's, you'd expect the cars to be crap, whereas the UK (And most other RHD) VW cars come from South Africa, one that had teething problems initially, but has recently been churning out very well built cars.

I missed your post.

Ok, jd power ranks porsche highest this year

But consumer reports lists porsches as below reliable, way below reliable etc. Every model ( 4 basically) below average.

So how does this pan out? Initial quality is not reliability.

It is the state the car is in new such as body panels wiring alignment.

Ok so you follow porsche. They are a small volume car manufacturer. I believe they only run 6 months a year or maybe thats not current. They do things quite differently than a mass producer like toyota or volkswagon or whoever. They could put the time in to win the jd power listing on initial quality always.

Theres nothing that Ive seen that shows a porsche is a trouble free daily driver like a camry lol. Those are two different things.

[drunken monkey]

we have always been communicating.
i have always been aware of the kind of car buyer you are; it is you who seemed to have missed what kind of buyer I am. In fact, from your initial posts here, you seemed to have missed a few things.

You first enquired about my choics and wondered about smaller Japanese cars (honda jazz and toyota yaris), completely missing the point about me wanting a bigger car than my current car; a toyota yaris. I also posted images of cars that if you knew anything about them, you would know that they are all past models; hence 2nd hand and not new as you mentioned later. i.e they are used cars.

By the way, I didn't ask why you have such buying habits. You don't have to explain yourself to me.

[stamar]

ok jimster

I use these rankings too

http://www.jdpower.com/autos/usedratings.asp

Ok I look at that data. But that data is fluff. This is data a new car buyer should look at. Thats what its compile for after all. This is a survey of very small scale. It means something but its not enough data for me.

The real data is consumerreports.org. This is taking the information from millions of vehicles.

Ok and drunkenmunky, the 911 wasnt badly built. It just needed to be maintained. Gaskets bushings shocks filters you name it. It had a day a month to fix it and 3 days a month to drive it.

But what I dealt with and what your friend dealt with arent going to shape my opinion on whether a porsche is reliable. I need to see data, or I would say I dont know.

I must say I have never seen a porsche used as a daily commuter. Thats not to say people dont do that Im sure they do. But its not the machine of choice for most porsche owners. This is a sports car of someone whos serious about staying on top of it.

[drunken monkey]

and going slightly back on topic, i've just discovered that it would cost me the same to insure a late model Fiat Coupe 20V turbo with the 6 speed gearbox, or an 147 GTA as it would cost for me to cover a 993 turbo!
AND
that quote is from a place that is giving me a higher quote on my existing car than I am already paying so the actual cost of cover for any car I buy should be less than the numbers I'm getting.

result!

now where did i put that £40,000?

or...
£14,000 for an R34 GTR?

not exactly what i started with but these insurance quotes are putting all sorts of ideas into my head.

[stamar]

Im spamming with a personal question.

Ok, so obviously Ive never driven in the uk. Bear with me

So you are financing a used car from a private party or used car dealer?

Or you have the cash?

Your insurance consideration, is this because you have to get full coverage insurance to get the loan, or is it because you have to have full coverage insurance in the uk no matter what?

Here in the us, my insurance is just for 6 month terms. I cover three vehicles it doesnt matter what they are, 10$ to switch a new car in. lambourghini in mazda protege out $10. But its not full coverage, Im not financing the vehicles. Thats what Im trying to understand.

[drunken monkey]

first of all, you seem to be using the wrong terms with regards to forums.
you used "troll" in another thread in the wrong sense and here, you are using spam in the wrong sense.

anyway.
I will buy from whoever has the car that I want.
I have the cash but at the moment, I am reluctant to spend all of it because of my particular inbetween study/work situation. I am halfway through my (post-grad)professional studies and sometime in the future I will have to stop work and go back into full time study. That is why I have budgeted myself around £8000, which i can "comfortably" lose from my savings, for a slightly used car and insurance and other initial sundries.

I don't need insurance to guarantee a loan or anything. I've never heard of needing a guarantee for a loan for a car here. Property and business; yes. Car; no.
I do however, need insurance on the car; that is UK law. All cars driven on the road must be covered by some sort of insurance. Third party damage cover is enough but depending on how confident or how safe you are, you might want full cover.