Damnit! I need to go single!

[TatII]

Originally Posted by CassiesMan

Most turboed 330is are putting down high two hundred, low three hundred at the wheels. The majority of them are mid twelves, some a bit lower than that. So your telling me that an FD, which is a 14 flat car stock, with just an exhaust and intake, no boost mods or anything, is a 12 second car? Doubt it.

and your telling me that a upper 200-300whp in a 3500-3600 lbs car is a 12 second car? lol. that means my must be a low 12 second car then.

stock FD's puts down around 230whp with his breathing mods it should be around 250whp plus he weights less then 2700 lbs. FD's runs high 13's stock, a very bad time for it would be a 14 flat. this isn't a twin turbo Z you know. so driven right it should be a mid to low 13 second car if you wanna be realistic.

what do those bimmers trap with the turbo?

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by TatII

and your telling me that a upper 200-300whp in a 3500-3600 lbs car is a 12 second car? lol. that means my must be a low 12 second car then.

Most of the 330i's on E46psi are around 3200...not 3500+. I'm going off their numbers. Non of them have thier times posted, but what I gather from DTMPower, most of them are legit twelve second cars.

stock FD's puts down around 230whp with his breathing mods it should be around 250whp plus he weights less then 2700 lbs. FD's runs high 13's stock, a very bad time for it would be a 14 flat. this isn't a twin turbo Z you know. so driven right it should be a mid to low 13 second car if you wanna be realistic.

I got the 14 flat for a stock FD off of RX7club, and talking to the guy who used to cut my hair (I know I know...)who works on FDs for a hobby. He's got three of 'em (I was supposed to get to drive one, but it never happened, but I have seen them), and drag races one of them. I asked him what times they run stock, and he said while back in 93 you may have been able to cut out a mid 13 second pass if you drove the shit out of it, most drivers will get a very high 13 (like a 13.9) or a 14 second pass.

what do those bimmers trap with the turbo?

No clue, I'll have to check it out. I know JMWebs SC'd E46 traps at about 125ish, he runs a high 11, and I have videos of him pulling on single and twin turboed Supras, and a modded 996 Turbo.

I'm not saying JC didn't beat an turbo 330. I'm just saying that he has a mid 13 second car, so for him to beat a turboed 330 by sixth lengths, either the the driver sucked major nuts at driving, or wasn't pushing it at all. Hell, for sixth lengths...stock for stock that means the 330i would have to have gotten slower when he boosted it. They aren't fast cars, thats a given, but they aren't a slouch either.

[jcsaleen]

It's a family sedan with an aftermarket turbo not to mention there was a passenger. Not to mention the torque sucks on turbo'd bimmer's. I've seen AMp's FD (well known guy with 3 cym rx7's). As I've seen first hand at rotorfest he's trapped 12.8 with a chromed out/powdercoated engine, all that was done was intake, cat back, downpipe and battery. With aftermarket wheels which were alot heavier then stock.

[CassiesMan]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

Not to mention the torque sucks on turbo'd bimmer's.

This comming from someone with an FD...

For the last time, I'm not saying you didn't beat him. I'm just saying six car lengths is very generous of a statement.

[RACER D12]

JC I think you should go to the track and post up a vid because some of your story’s are getting a bit farfetched. Not saying they didn’t happen just saying you need to put up some proof. We asked the same of cobaltSS

[jcsaleen]

What seems so far fetched about a 330I turbo'd getting beat by an Rx7? (Family sedan that weighs over 3600lbs) I think you guys severely under estimate the 7's times an potental. A car that weighs just over 2600lbs and is pushing 10lbs out the factory and your saying some family bimmer with a bolt on could beat me? I know what can an can';t beat my car and I'm sure as hell that bimmer even form a dead stop couldn't beat me. Your either under estimateing me or my car... I'll admit I did glance back an he was wayyy back maybe it was 4-5 nto sure but I do no there was no doubt I beat him considerably.

In any case when I can afford a vid cam for your undinable intellec to assess my race's I'll let you know. Till then that money goes into my car.

Edit: From now on I'm not going to post up length's because it's damn hard to judge when your the one racing not to mention it causes so much controversy. It was pitch black out & I know I beat him by a very good amount no where near close and he wasn't pulling on me at all.

[RACER D12]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

What seems so far fetched about a 330I turbo'd getting beat by an Rx7? (Family sedan that weighs over 3600lbs) I think you guys severely under estimate the 7's times an potental. A car that weighs just over 2600lbs and is pushing 10lbs out the factory and your saying some family bimmer with a bolt on could beat me? I know what can an can';t beat my car and I'm sure as hell that bimmer even form a dead stop couldn't beat me. Your either under estimateing me or my car... I'll admit I did glance back an he was wayyy back maybe it was 4-5 nto sure but I do no there was no doubt I beat him considerably.

Where are you getting your numbers?

Edmunds puts the 330 sedan at just over 3200lb and the RX-7 a little over 2700lbs. You do have the advantage but not as much as you make it sound.

[jcsaleen]

Originally Posted by RACER D12

Where are you getting your numbers?

Edmunds puts the 330 sedan at just over 3200lb and the RX-7 a little over 2700lbs. You do have the advantage but not as much as you make it sound.

2 full weight adults (185+) in a 330I not to mention the heavy ass rims he had. Btw ~ I weigh about 140 I'm tiny + I had my spare out as well. my curb is some where around 2712 or something like that so with the stock intake removed an the ducting an crap + the spare I'm way under that but then it me I guess.

The base 93 weighs at around 2650 but I have the sounds system so that adds some.

[TatII]

oh wait a minute. jcsaleen won by 6 lenghts? i thought he lost by 6 lenghts. then that makes my argument totally different. i am officially staying out of this thread. ( but i'll still ghost )

[BlackGT2000]

Originally Posted by jcsaleen

2 full weight adults (185+) in a 330I not to mention the heavy ass rims he had. Btw ~ I weigh about 140 I'm tiny + I had my spare out as well. my curb is some where around 2712 or something like that so with the stock intake removed an the ducting an crap + the spare I'm way under that but then it me I guess.

The base 93 weighs at around 2650 but I have the sounds system so that adds some.

First off, I would hardly call an aftermarket turbo on a BMW a "bolt on". Secondly the math you are putting out makes no sense. If the base 93 weighs 2650, and you weigh 140 than you are sitting at 2790 pounds, I don't see that the (stock plastic intake weight)-(aftermarket intake weight)+(no spare)+sound system=78 pounds removed. If you are no longer talking factory weight I would say that your car weighs over 2800 pounds with you in it. Also, I don't think that the rims on that car would add much weight to the BMW. The only minor thing the BMW may have noticed by the wheel weight would be slightly higher rotational mass for the engine to turn. But then again I don't think a turbo'd BMW is really starving for power.

[Right_LiRrr]

330i at 12 psi......geezus. i'd say they're pretty damn quick from 35-100

and i'd say keep twin turbo set up.....one giant turbo conversion is for dyno queens