More problems starting. code 16 related.

[bambam89lx]

Originally Posted by skotman

the problem with cold starting is actually new. i've been having my most problems with warm starting. for the past year my car refuses to start for anywhere between 5 mins and several hours after i've driven it somewhere, and it doesn't have any correlation with distance or engine temp. i'll look for the iat, though, but what i'm picturing when you describe it to me doesn't have any electrical connection to anything.


thanks! keep the suggestions coming if you know of anything. i'm kinda a sitting duck at the moment waiting on my new injectors to come in. i figure i'll replace them anyway.

replace the damn main relay. That's exactly what the problem is that you've been describing this whole thread.

[1sikrex]

Your problem sounds EXACTELY the same as what I have been going through for years... and hopefully my solution will be yours as well... I have put 4 starters in this car... had the same problem as you.... if it was cold... it would start... if I just turned it off... forget about it... time to push it... after paying for labor and starters 4 times I FINALLY figured out what the problem was... it was &^&% GROUND! Check your ground from your battery to the engine... you cant tell until you pull the whole wire off but, there is a factory splice out of easy visable sight, where the ground wire bolts to the chassis... its not grounded there just connected... after checking the splice and inspecting the 16 year old wire... replaced it was a 6 gauge ground wire.... and the starter would actually turn over... it still needed to be replaced considering everytime I tried to start the car it was searching for ground bad... sometimes after a couple key turns it would finally turn over.... also ya might want to considering upgrading your battery... my stock size battery was a little interstate, and have found that the increased cold cranking amps have made a considerable differance as well. Also replace the ground from the top of the radiator area to the valve cover... it sounds really stupid but I have seen some other people have the same problem and they replaced the ground and VROOOOM off ya go.

[FrodoGT]

Yeah, grounds are horrible stuff..and electricity also plays a part in power, I have seen the results of an apexi ground system versus a few others...they gained 9 hp off of it. And I know thta if I crank my two type-r's I can lower my idle, even if I hold it at 1500, itll drop to 1100 or so. Definately check the grounds, a poor connection makes for poor performance and reliability.

[1sikrex]

Thanks for the offer to help by the way, ended up running up on a stroke of fate, stopped and got gas at the local BP and one of the mechs was checkin out the ride and we fworked out a barter system where I do his stereo stuff and he helps me with mechanical stuff... we had to pull the green cylinder part off of the starter to get at the bolt under the bottom of the starter, I swear the last people who changed my starter put bout 200 lb torque on that mofo lol. The windshield wiper motor was a lil bit of a beyotch too, the linkage for it was hard to work with, the lil rubber grommet looking things were old and had to be super careful with em, not like ya can walk into an auto parts store and but them. It works better in the technical sense, the old motor didnt go very fast anymore, but the new one doesnt return the wipers all the way down to the bottom of the windshield. Still need to adjust the clutch cable but Ill figure that out somehow, someone cool from af here sent me the haynes manual, really helps out.

[turtlecrxsi]

Not sure if this is what you mean, but you can position the wipers themselves further down if you have to, but that's only if they're swinging way too far (ie. hitting the pillar on the driver side). The clutch cable is simple... just turn the knob where it connects to the tranny... righty tighty lefty loosey. Leave a tad bit of play in the pedal. If this is not what you meant, please disregard.

[arodg25]

Code 16 is 99% of the time the main relay. I KNOW thats your problem. its a cheep fix. just get one. or try this.http://www.tegger.com/hondafaq/mainr...mainrelay.html

[skotman]

not to brag, but

I FIXED IT! WOOT!

the problem? well, like i said i bought a new fuel filter and then ordered new injectors. i put everything back together tonight after work with the new parts and it started right up! even though i had disconnected the fuel line in at least 3 different places and thought "SURELY there is air in the line and it won't start the first time."

started up and is running fine

only problem?... when i was pulling the throttle body off to get a better look at it, i had to disconnect, among other things, a certain 3" long piece of rubber hose which carries coolant to the throttle body. well the old hose was rather stuck on there just like you'd expect, and also it was also slightly rotten, so i punctured a hole in it with my pliers. i'm dripping coolant slowly, but otherwise i'm back in business!


thanks for all the help and suggestions!

[FrodoGT]

Yeah, the air in the fuel isnt a problem...My line has completely disconnected at least 5 times and it always fires right up..kinda what the return line is for.

[turtlecrxsi]

Glad you fixed it. Just wrap some duct tape on that punctured coolant line temporarily until you replace it.