Kick panel enclosures - Page 2

GSteg · #16 10-18-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Mannyb18b

Hey gsteg, does your buddy have the passenger side mid out of phase?

Nope. All drivers are in phase. Usually you are able to help imaging by putting the mids out of phase, but that will present another problem if you're running it 2-way. Your midbass output will probably be reduced being that they're out of phase. So my friend instead worked on driver positioning until he got the imaging he wants, or at least close to perfect. Then use a bit of time alignment to fully correct it.

Flipping the phase of the driver will only help in some cases.

Just to see the difference, I flipped my mids out of phase and instantly I got a hollow sound. Flipped it back and vocals became very clear and focused. I imagine those who have the hollow sound should put their mids out of phase.

AndonD454 · #17 10-18-2005, 11:03 PM

ok.. i think im starting to get this a little more .. my problem is im gonna be gettign into an SQ project with my car and dont knwo where to begin.

i have a ford explorer with 5x7 coaxial holes right where your leg would rest on each door. as if this isnt a bad enough situation, theres a bar in the door liek 2 inches from the speaker mount in the back.. so anything in the door has to be shallow. the floors dont have a whole lot of room for kicks IMO. and i dont knwo ANYTHING abotu glassing to make custom pods on each door out of the way. i also dont know naything about SQ or where i should even begin.

so thats why im so curious about the best places in the car to mound different stages.. cause im pretty limited with options. either of you seen a decent sq setup in a 2 door explorer?

sr20de4evr · #18 10-18-2005, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by GSteg

Sold them. I'm using ribbon tweeters now

Which ones?

I'm considering ribbons, but the gigantic flange is really turning me off. I've been looking at the Fountek NeoCd3.0R and AC G2Si

GSteg · #19 10-18-2005, 11:18 PM

Andon, I know how you feel. A few days ago I sat into my friend's 95' explorer and you're right. Space is very limited. If you're not great with making kick pods, the next best thing is to buy premade pods. Here is the most popular one. The only restriction is that you're only able to fit 5.25" mids.

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-4iot5nD...0&I=044K200656

The explorer is very restricted in stock form. The only way to get around it is if you make your own kicks.

AndonD454 · #20 10-18-2005, 11:22 PM

hgaha holy shit 150 for those? i REALLY wish i could glass now.. i might have to learn. but with kicks like those would you suggest runnign them the way they are with the tweets right above them? seems like it wouldnt sound so great with all of your soundstage at your feet.. would it be better for me to mount tweets on the dash and mids in the doors or woul dthis be worse than those q forms kicks?

GSteg · #21 10-18-2005, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by AndonD454

hgaha holy shit 150 for those? i REALLY wish i could glass now.. i might have to learn. but with kicks like those would you suggest runnign them the way they are with the tweets right above them? seems like it wouldnt sound so great with all of your soundstage at your feet.. would it be better for me to mount tweets on the dash and mids in the doors or woul dthis be worse than those q forms kicks?

You soundstage wont be that low. The tweeters will be angled up a bit and if you just close your eyes, you'll notice that the staging is actually higher. It wont be floor level, unless you put in some bad speakers. lol.

Because you're limited on space, mounting the mids in kicks and then tweeters up on dash might not be the best idea. you'll be sitting too close to the tweeters and will hear separation between the drivers. If you can glass, make the pods on the door. and aim it as if they were in kick panels. Then put the tweeters on the dash if you can, but dont point the tweeters directly at you. Maybe face them each other. The best thing to do with the tweeters is to play with them before you put them in. I know I had to spend countless hours with my setup before it could sound right, and thats just driver positioning. Haven't gotten to tuning yet.

alphalanos · #22 10-18-2005, 11:30 PM

fiberglassing kickpanles is incredibly easy. i used that site as a guide and looked at some pictures of other cars for inspiration. First i looked at my car to determine where i want the speakers and how they should fit. then i used the existing plastic peice as a guide, built and MDF structure to hold the speaker, covered it tightly in cloth, then resined and glassed it, sanded and painted. Even with my crappy Alpine Type S speakers it made a huge difference compared to the door mounting location. give it a try its alot of fun!

GSteg · #23 10-18-2005, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sr20de4evr

Which ones?

I'm considering ribbons, but the gigantic flange is really turning me off. I've been looking at the Fountek NeoCd3.0R and AC G2Si

I use to have the AC G2si, but now I'm using the LCY 108s. The flange isn't really that bad though.

If anything, skip the fountek. The plastic casing might not be durable enough.

I would spend the extra to go with the LCY. The AC was harder to get into the right position. Horizontal dispersion was crap and vertical was so-so, but it'll take a while to get it sounding right. With the LCY, it's so much easier to work with. Very little vertical disperion loss. I have no regrets going with the LCY. More detailed, smoother, and better staging/imaging out of the box.

These ribbons are very pure sounding. It sounds great in car. In home mated with the Seas excel is just...heaven

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