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[BlackGT2000]

Originally Posted by k3smostwanted

well thanks...i like to get into "arguments" over this about cars without all the name calling. just stating opinions and facts. it makes this worth while.

anyways, as stated by kman...the SVX is a very overlooked car. the only problems was the transmission because it only came in automatic. the automatic was not very well built and usually fails just past 100k but for someone who really likes the car, the manual transmissions from other subarus can be swapped in pretty easily. this is very popular among the smaller community of SVX tuners in the states.

the aftermarket isnt that big but i do know a smaller SVX dedicated busines just introduced a custom whippel(?) supercharger kit thats puts it into some big numbers.

the H6 is a very strong and very powerful engine. from the factory, it is very detuned. i even remember reading that subaru designed the car to compete successfully with the other jap GT cars of the time but they couldnt get the engine tuned right to pass emissions or something, so they detuned it stuck a standard auto tranny behind it and softened the suspension, and called it a luxury coupe. and it still handles very well for a 3500lb car...id say it could take a VR4 with no problem in the handling department.

if you really want to find out more about the SVX, PM " Vador "...he knows this car like the back of his hand.


i forgot about the 2nd gen mr-2...not that i would have put it in the top 3 but it would be up there on my list.

what i meant by saying the camaro was not on the same level as the early 90 jap cars...the camaros layout is pretty basic. shove a big displacement V8 into a front engine, RWD car. the japanese companies actually sat down for a few years and engineered these cars to be the best. and it shows, beings these cars still rank above the best 15 years later. a car with 300hp in 1990 with a small displacement TT engine that lasts 200k+ miles is alot different than a big V8 pushing not much more HP...you would think 10 years later something would be dramtically better, buts its not...this says alot of good about the build quality of the japanese cars or quite a bit of bad about the newer generation of cars.

not to mention all the new inventions and gizmos on these cars...4 wheel steering, active aero, climate control, electronic suspension...

in my eyes, this is what seperates these cars from a fast camaro, mustang, firebird, transam...its the engineering, design, uniquness, and strive to create something new and better. not put a bigger diplacement motor in the car.

and before anyone says anything, this is not a bash on domestics or camaros...more of a praise of the 300zx, svx, 3000gt, supra, and rx7 at the expense of the camaro.

You know that puts a whole different light on the SVX. I didn't know anything about the detuning of it. Its kind of a shame that the emissions took a potentially bad ass cars reputation and completely flushed it down the toilet. I see what you are saying about the camaro not really being in the same class now, you are saying the design is not on par with some of these japanese contemporaries, right? I thought originally that you were referring to the performance not being up to standard. One thing I have to say, not that I am all pro chevy or anything, but that LS1 is really a well designed motor. I was sceptical of it before I ever drove one, but geez that thing has power. You know I dont think we really have opposing points of view, I really do agree with you on everything its just personal preference.

[kman10587]

Yeah, the SVX could have been so much more. It's a lot more popular in Japan, for a few reasons. The most important reason, I think, is that in Japan, they have no reservations about shelling out $25,000 for a luxury car with a Subaru badge on the hood. That just doesn't really fly well in America, though, because we put a lot more emphasis on name stigmas and brand cachet. But anyways, it's not overly uncommon to see some crazy-fast SVXs over in the land of the rising sun. The flat-six is really one hell of a motor when unleashed, and Subaru's AWD system is arguably the best one on the market. With some high performance summer tires and a suspension kit, it'd easily run with a VR-4.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

You know that puts a whole different light on the SVX. I didn't know anything about the detuning of it. Its kind of a shame that the emissions took a potentially bad ass cars reputation and completely flushed it down the toilet. I see what you are saying about the camaro not really being in the same class now, you are saying the design is not on par with some of these japanese contemporaries, right? I thought originally that you were referring to the performance not being up to standard. One thing I have to say, not that I am all pro chevy or anything, but that LS1 is really a well designed motor. I was sceptical of it before I ever drove one, but geez that thing has power. You know I dont think we really have opposing points of view, I really do agree with you on everything its just personal preference.

yeah i totally agree...the LS1 is a great engine, to say the least. but it is not comparable to the over-engineering if the Japanese high end engines. though it produces big power...i guess its more or less my personal thoughts, but it would be hard to come up with a good argument to say the LS1 is more engineered than those 3.0L Twin Turbo and 1.3L TT rotaries producing 300hp+ and able to modified much more and still lasting 200k miles in most cases.

the cool thing about the SVX is the windows...at first it looks gaudy on the outside and space ship like..but once you have been inside of it and took a step back and really looked at it. its pretty cool the amount of engineering that went into the windows. i had the priviledge to test drive one before i bought my GTP and i was doing 85 on the highway with the windows down...absolutely NO wind noise or vibration. the new eclipse has this same sort of set-up but not quite as extravagant. i have been told that even rain doesnt come inside the car when at speed. this is an example of the sophistication that went into these cars.

[k3smostwanted]

Originally Posted by BlackGT2000

You know that puts a whole different light on the SVX. I didn't know anything about the detuning of it. Its kind of a shame that the emissions took a potentially bad ass cars reputation and completely flushed it down the toilet. I see what you are saying about the camaro not really being in the same class now, you are saying the design is not on par with some of these japanese contemporaries, right? I thought originally that you were referring to the performance not being up to standard. One thing I have to say, not that I am all pro chevy or anything, but that LS1 is really a well designed motor. I was sceptical of it before I ever drove one, but geez that thing has power. You know I dont think we really have opposing points of view, I really do agree with you on everything its just personal preference.

yeah i totally agree...the LS1 is a great engine, to say the least. but it is not comparable to the over-engineering if the Japanese high end engines. though it produces big power...i guess its more or less my personal thoughts, but it would be hard to come up with a good argument to say the LS1 is more engineered than those 3.0L Twin Turbo and 1.3L TT rotaries producing 300hp+ and able to modified much more and still lasting 200k miles in most cases.

the cool thing about the SVX is the windows...at first it looks gaudy on the outside and space ship like..but once you have been inside of it and took a step back and really looked at it. its pretty cool the amount of engineering that went into the windows. i had the priviledge to test drive one before i bought my GTP and i was doing 85 on the highway with the windows down...absolutely NO wind noise or vibration. the new eclipse has this same sort of set-up but not quite as extravagant. i have been told that even rain doesnt come inside the car when at speed. this is an example of the sophistication that went into these cars.

and Kman, i agree...americans care way too much about the name and price. if it is expensive it just much be that much better...this is not true in all cases. and that is just one example...subara has to try that much harder to get sales from the US because not only are they an overlooked brand but they have to compete with the "made in the USA, means better built" frame of mind and it doesnt help that their niche is higher end sporty sedans...unlike nissan, toyota, and honda for the most part.