chevy vs ford

[Muscletang]

Originally Posted by Polygon

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150.

The Ford F-150 sells more trucks than Chevy or Dodge in that class

Originally Posted by Polygon

If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

The Corvette and Mustang are the best American cars. The Viper is overrated and priced. Also, Dodge does not make their diesel engine just the truck. They are lucky to even have Cummins putting their engine in their truck

Originally Posted by Polygon

The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette. The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

HA HA!!! Thanks Polygon I really needed a good laugh today. The Viper has the world's largest engine in it and only makes 500 hp. WOW! Ford has it beat 9 ways to sunday. First off the 03-04 svt cobra can have 2 grand in mods and will smoke a Viper 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time, ect. The mustang only has a 4.6L and its going head to head with big bad 8.3. The ford shelby a/c cobra will have 600 hp coming from a 6.0L, which I might add was designed from the mustang's own v-10. The cobra will cost as much as a viper and beats it in every single catagory.
No replacement for displacement is totally false. I just proved it. The Porshe 911 TT is pumping out 460 hp from a 3.6L and it beats the viper off the line, in the 1/4, 0-60 ect. It's all about what you do with your engine and how its tuned NOT how big it is.
Also the viper will not come ahead in mods. Their are more mods on the market for mustangs and corvettes. These 2 also responed better to mods than the Viper.

Originally Posted by Polygon

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.

Dodge is so overrated it isn't funny! The only thing dodge did good on was the hemi and it pulled their butt out of the fire.
Ford is showing true bang for the buck with the svt cobras. Chevy is showing bang for the buck with their new c6 vette.
Dodge can keep their viper v-10 b/c in a few years it wont matter. Ford's 4.6 is bringing on the heat and chevy's ls2 looks very promising.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

The Ford F-150 sells more trucks than Chevy or Dodge in that class

So, what is your point? Just because they sell more trucks doesn't mean they are better.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

The Corvette and Mustang are the best American cars. The Viper is overrated and priced. Also, Dodge does not make their diesel engine just the truck. They are lucky to even have Cummins putting their engine in their truck

1. The Viper is not overpriced. It is not marketed to compete with the Mustang or the Corvette. Can't you read? The Corvette and Mustang are mass-produced while the Viper is hand built and has a much better fit and finish. It also out performs the Corvette and Mustang. It is more of an exotic than a sports car like the Corvette and the Mustang. You pay for more than just performance when you buy a car you know? If that is the only reason you buy a car then you're either a race team owner or stupid.

2. Yeah, the Cummins isn't built buy Dodge, but what is your point there? International builds Ford’s diesel and Isuzu builds Chevy’s. None of them make their own diesel smart guy.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

HA HA!!! Thanks Polygon I really needed a good laugh today. The Viper has the world's largest engine in it and only makes 500 hp. WOW! Ford has it beat 9 ways to sunday. First off the 03-04 svt cobra can have 2 grand in mods and will smoke a Viper 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time, ect. The mustang only has a 4.6L and its going head to head with big bad 8.3. The ford shelby a/c cobra will have 600 hp coming from a 6.0L, which I might add was designed from the mustang's own v-10. The cobra will cost as much as a viper and beats it in every single catagory.

No replacement for displacement is totally false. I just proved it. The Porshe 911 TT is pumping out 460 hp from a 3.6L and it beats the viper off the line, in the 1/4, 0-60 ect. It's all about what you do with your engine and how its tuned NOT how big it is.
Also the viper will not come ahead in mods. Their are more mods on the market for mustangs and corvettes. These 2 also responed better to mods than the Viper.

1. Yes, it has an 8.3L Engine and only produces 505HP and 525 ft/lbs of torque. However, the Viper's engine could effortlessly produce more, but to what end? The SRT-10 is more of a cruiser being a convertible. It doesn't need more horsepower. Just because you can make more power doesn't mean you have to. For instance, in 1998 and 1999 the Dodge Viper GTS-R was dominating GT racing. At times they were beating cars in the prototype class. This was from a car with the 8.0L V10 producing plenty of power effortlessly. Eventually other teams complained and it was deemed that the Viper had an unfair advantage and restrictions were placed on the GTS-R. Soon after Chrysler pulled their backing of the teams. Not that Chrysler hasn't seen that before.

2. Give me a break; just give it up with the argument that you can mod whatever car to beat whatever car. That is so stupid. Sure you can modify just about any car to beat any other car, who cares. The point is that the Mustang can't beat it from the factory. Put that same money into the Viper and the Viper is still going to come out on top.

3. You know, that says a lot that you compare the Cobra to the Viper. The SRT-10 is more of a show boating car. It is a convertible something not usually associated with a performance car. However, it stops faster, accelerates faster, and turns better than the Corvette and the Mustang which are more purpose built sports cars. Now, why don't you compare the Cobra to the next Viper to come out? The Viper coupe, which is currently mopping up in the SCCA. It will have more power and will be more purpose built. I don't see the Cobra or the Corvette out performing it.

4. You must not have much of an understanding of physics. There is no replacement for displacement. Not technology, not tuning, not even forced induction. It is quite simple, airflow equals power, and the more you have the better. By simple physics bigger engines have more airflow. Granted there is more to it than that. You can have a big engine with a restrictive exhaust and intake that will hurt it, however we all know that the Viper has a good exhaust and intake. Anyhow, the point is that if you were to install the exact same turbo kit on the Mustang and the Viper you would get more power from the turbo on the Viper. Bigger displacement equals more power, which means the bigger engine will yield higher results for the same mods. As for that Porsche engine, I can guarantee you that it is pretty high strung and you wouldn’t be able to get much more power out of it than that. On a side note, there is a lot more to acceleration than power. Gearing, horsepower, torque, weight, aerodynamics, traction, and other factors determine how fast you accelerate. Sounds like you've been reading too much Motor Trend.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Dodge is so overrated it isn't funny! The only thing dodge did good on was the hemi and it pulled their butt out of the fire. Ford is showing true bang for the buck with the svt cobras. Chevy is showing bang for the buck with their new c6 vette.
Dodge can keep their viper v-10 b/c in a few years it wont matter. Ford's 4.6 is bringing on the heat and chevy's ls2 looks very promising.

You have just proven my point that Chrysler is underrated. They have done a lot of other things besides just the Hemi. Also, I never said that the Mustang wasn't a good bang for the buck. The Corvette is a good bang for the buck but I feel it is slightly over priced. All I said is that Ford and Chevy are overrated. Everyone that has argued with me has helped me prove that point.

Also, you might enjoy these two videos, or not.

http://www.gigatechsoftware.com/cars...lights-low.wmv

http://www.gigatechsoftware.com/cars...2nd%20gear.wmv

[Sean_S]

Originally Posted by Muscletang

The Corvette and Mustang are the best American cars. The Viper is overrated and priced. Also, Dodge does not make their diesel engine just the truck. They are lucky to even have Cummins putting their engine in their truck

Do yourself a favor and don't post anymore. The Viper overrated? Wow. Just wow. I don't even know where to start on that one. Sorry but Viper is second best only to the new Ford GT. That's it.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

HA HA!!! Thanks Polygon I really needed a good laugh today. The Viper has the world's largest engine in it and only makes 500 hp. WOW! Ford has it beat 9 ways to sunday. First off the 03-04 svt cobra can have 2 grand in mods and will smoke a Viper 0-60 time, 1/4 mile time, ect.

For one, the old SVT Cobra will never be half the track car the Viper is. Plain and simple. Drop all the money you want into it. Anyone who knows anything about the old F-Body design would know that the old SVT Cobra is too heavy, the body too old, and the IRS was shoe horned into the damned body. In all fairness, it the 79-2004 Mustang was never made to run the track like a Viper. It just isn't possible. Mustang was originally made for best bang for the buck and mostly straight line at that. That continued that until the newest design (2005) where even though they kept the solid axle, they improved the handling (Better suspension, claimed 200% increase in body stiffness) to be able to keep up (Hopefully) with the base WRX, Mini S, and so on.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

The mustang only has a 4.6L and its going head to head with big bad 8.3. The ford shelby a/c cobra will have 600 hp coming from a 6.0L, which I might add was designed from the mustang's own v-10. The cobra will cost as much as a viper and beats it in every single catagory.

Get with the news, the Shelby Cobra concept is dead. They aren't going to build it so this is a pointless arguement.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

No replacement for displacement is totally false. I just proved it. The Porshe 911 TT is pumping out 460 hp from a 3.6L and it beats the viper off the line, in the 1/4, 0-60 ect. It's all about what you do with your engine and how its tuned NOT how big it is.

Sigh. Yes there is no replacement for displacement. More displacement means more achievable power. This is basic car stuff. On top of that, do you really think they can't pump out more horsepower from the Viper engine? There is no real point to it. It's already a supurb track car and would take the 911 TT on the track. No doubt about it.

Also, the Porsche example is horrible. IT'S A TWIN TURBO CAR. Read, TWIN TURBO. Of course it's going to pull more horsepower to displacement. Twin turbo Vipers pull more then 1000 horsepower, so where's your arguement on that? At least you could have mentioned the Ferrari 360 or 430.

And of all things, are you seriously going to bring that lame arguement about horsepower/liters? That makes me laugh. Horsepower to weight is way more important which the Viper has in spades.

Originally Posted by Muscletang

Also the viper will not come ahead in mods. Their are more mods on the market for mustangs and corvettes. These 2 also responed better to mods than the Viper.

Eh yeah....

Sigh, I'm a Ford guy and a Mustang owner and you're give me a bad name.

[Cro]

Originally Posted by Sean_S

Anyone who knows anything about the old F-Body design would know that the old SVT Cobra is too heavy, the body too old, and the IRS was shoe horned into the damned body.

F-bodies are made by gm. Camaro/Firebird

Sigh. Yes there is no replacement for displacement. More displacement means more achievable power. This is basic car stuff. On top of that, do you really think they can't pump out more horsepower from the Viper engine? There is no real point to it. It's already a supurb track car and would take the 911 TT on the track. No doubt about it.

I really don't think that it can take a 911 tt on the track. maybe if the track had very few turns.

Also, the Porsche example is horrible. IT'S A TWIN TURBO CAR. Read, TWIN TURBO. Of course it's going to pull more horsepower to displacement. Twin turbo Vipers pull more then 1000 horsepower, so where's your arguement on that? At least you could have mentioned the Ferrari 360 or 430.

I'm pretty sure that on the 911, the turbos work sequentially, so by putting in the 2nd turbo it does not double the hp gained. If it had a single turbo, they would have put in a larger one, which would have made more power. They put in two to reduce turbo lag because after all it is a car made for the track.

[Sean_S]

Originally Posted by Cro

F-bodies are made by gm. Camaro/Firebird

I really don't think that it can take a 911 tt on the track. maybe if the track had very few turns.

I'm pretty sure that on the 911, the turbos work sequentially, so by putting in the 2nd turbo it does not double the hp gained. If it had a single turbo, they would have put in a larger one, which would have made more power. They put in two to reduce turbo lag because after all it is a car made for the track.

Fox body... Mustang. I put f-body because I was being stupid. My bad.

And yes, the Viper RT/10 would smoke any street legal porsche on a track with two exceptions, 911 GT3 RS and the Carrera GT. Not sure how it would fare against the RS since it is comparable to the 360 CS which is one hell of a car. However, comparing the 911 TT and a Viper is sort of silly since they aren't even the same type of car. The Viper is much more akin to the RS, or the 360 CS, or the Ford Gt, or any other straight up street legal track car around the say 200k price range. I would think it's safe to say the Carrera GT wouldn't even be a match. However, the Carrera GT is on a whole other level.

And I have no idea what you are getting at with the third paragraph. What does that have to do with more diplacement = more potential or that a Viper can produce insane horsepower/displacement with a twin turbo setup? The point I thought I was making is comparing horsepower gains of a turboed car to a naturally aspirated car is ridiculous. It's easier to get more horsepower per liter when you add any kind of forced air induction to an engine. I never said anything about two turbos = double the horsepower.

[383PhoenixAm]

Where does Porsche come in on the whole Ford vs. Chevrolet topic..?

[calgary_redneck]

This debate is gonna be solved in a hurry

[HandofDoom]

My opinion the new Chrysler 300C is the most overrated car out there.When it first came out it was talked up to be something great,its not.Its a nice car,but its no different than any other Chrysler car.Interior materials are the cheepest I have ever seen in a "luxury" car(if thats what you want to call the 300).They compare to the materials in my moms Grand Am.Very cheep plastic everywhere.And the seats are like bricks.Chryslers still got a long way to go.Not to mention there pretty damn unreliable to.I call that overrated,and all you people know what Im talking about.In all the magazines it was the new king shit.I drove one,its nothing special.