chevy vs ford

[FERNDID]

who do yall think makes the most over rated cars , i think the reason why some of the camaro and mustang's don't hit there 1/4 mile times like the company's say they can is because of the driver's not because they are severly over rated.

[kman10587]

Dodge. Besides the Viper (which is outdone by the Corvette), they have no RWD V8 muscle. Just recently, they've brought back the 300C and the Magnum, and a 340 HP Charger is on the way, so maybe they'll make a comeback.

[PewterTAWS6]

I think Ford is the most overrated. They are the only one of the major companies to adopt the modular engine and reduce Cubic Inches. And for the most part they arent that fast. I think the one major problem for the mustang is that they kept the 5-speed for so long. Well that and GT's normally only dyno between 220-240hp stock. The Mach 1 is a bit better, but still only rated at 305 and dynoing about 280 to the wheels.
Other than them the only other real let downs are the Corvette and the Corvette ZO6. Corvettes rate at 350hp, but often are only putting down 310. And the ZO6 rates at 405 but normally does about 355hp. However there is a reason for this and thats because they have a lot more drivetrain loss than other cars. But thats why they handle really well.

[Sean_S]

Originally Posted by kman10587

Dodge. Besides the Viper (which is outdone by the Corvette), they have no RWD V8 muscle. Just recently, they've brought back the 300C and the Magnum, and a 340 HP Charger is on the way, so maybe they'll make a comeback.

Eh I need to see proof that a Z06 could take an RT/10 Viper. I just don't see that happening at all. Z06s are good, real good, but not Viper good.

[PewterTAWS6]

No a ZO6 cant take a Viper out. Not stock to stock anyways. Especially not a new one. But give Chevy until January when they show there new C6 ZO6. Rumored to have 500hp. But we will have to see what they do to try and match the Viper in handling. That'll be the hard part.
My roommate has a 2002 Black ZO6 that can take out Vipers. But his car isnt stock. He has BFG Drag Radials, Exhaust, Full bolt-ons, and the T-REX cam(242in/246ex 608lift, 109 lobe seperation). And we are currently waiting for a part to finish the 150 shot of nitrous on it. Car is currently running 11.5@122(gear restricted) and dynos 433 to the wheels.
Oh and this is for you Fordjunky, we raced the ZO6 against a friends 03 Cobra with a Kennybell. He dynos 605hp and we have videotapes of the ZO6 beating him everytime but one. I will admit though that the belt was slipping and broke that night, but it still dynoed over 600 and lost. Even the owner admitted defeat.

[kman10587]

Eh I need to see proof that a Z06 could take an RT/10 Viper. I just don't see that happening at all. Z06s are good, real good, but not Viper good.

I meant bang-for-buck wise...Vipers cost almost twice as much as the C6 Corvette, and I KNOW it's not worth the extra 45K.

[jncodave]

Originally Posted by kman10587

I meant bang-for-buck wise...Vipers cost almost twice as much as the C6 Corvette, and I KNOW it's not worth the extra 45K.

Yeah for the money you save, you could bring the vette up to about 600-700 hp. I think dodge is the most overrated too, the new charger will be cool to see but its supposed to weigh like 4100 pounds, that'll really hurt it. I'm a chevy guy but they seem to be lacking in performance cars right now. the corvette is it. they killed the camaro and came out with that stupid ssr. the ssr is too damn heavy to be fast.
The Silverado SS cant compete with the lightning and the Dodge RT/10 or whatever they call their truck with the viper engine. The joe gibbs siverado is cool cause it is faster then the ss and has a manual but it still isnt as good as the Ford and Dodge. Chevy really needs to step it up and bring back the camaro. I also heard rumors of bringing back the Chevelle, how cool would that be?

[kman10587]

Yeah, they need to bring back the Chevelle to compliment the GTO. I dunno if GM will bring back the Camaro/Firebird duo, and I dunno if they need to with the Chevelle and GTO running around, but we can always hope.

[Polygon]

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150. If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

As far as the Viper goes, yeah it is a lot more expensive than the Mustang and the Corvette. However, it isn't really in the same market as those two. The Mustang and the Corvette are both mass-produced on an assembly line while the Viper is assembled by hand. The Mustang and the Corvette are filled with cheap plastics while the Viper uses much finer materials. The fit and finish on the Viper is much better. The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette, which I might add, uses leaf spring in the back. Get with the times Chevy! The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The SRT-10 is also barely outperformed by the GT, which is a lot more expensive than the SRT-10. While the GT is a purpose built racing car for the streets the Viper is a convertible, something not usually associated with fast lap times. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

Also, Chrysler has some of the best bangs for your buck. The SRT-4 is dirt-cheap fun. The 300 is dirt cheap luxury. A lot of their cars have very low base prices for a lot of stuff. Even the new 2005 Jeep has a pretty low base price with a lot to offer. In my opinion Chrysler's products are a far better value than Ford or Chevy.

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.

[RedLightning]

whoops dagumit i voted on the wrong one! id have to say chevy is the most overrated.

[Cro]

Originally Posted by PewterTAWS6

I think Ford is the most overrated. They are the only one of the major companies to adopt the modular engine and reduce Cubic Inches. And for the most part they arent that fast. I think the one major problem for the mustang is that they kept the 5-speed for so long. Well that and GT's normally only dyno between 220-240hp stock. The Mach 1 is a bit better, but still only rated at 305 and dynoing about 280 to the wheels.
Other than them the only other real let downs are the Corvette and the Corvette ZO6. Corvettes rate at 350hp, but often are only putting down 310. And the ZO6 rates at 405 but normally does about 355hp. However there is a reason for this and thats because they have a lot more drivetrain loss than other cars. But thats why they handle really well.

every car has drivetrain loss, and if the numbers that you listed are correct, then they actually have less loss than most. On average the loss is 15% and for the vette you listed numbers below this.

[chevydrummer76]

Originally Posted by Polygon

I don't see how anyone could call Chrysler overrated. They have always been the black sheep of the big three. If you asked a bunch of people who makes the best pickup truck most are going to say the Ford F-150. If you ask a bunch of people which American car is the best they are most likely going to say the Corvette or the Mustang. Neither of which are true. Dodge has the best diesel on the market the Cummins. They also have the best gasoline engine the Hemi. They also make the fastest production truck on the planet the SRT-10 Ram.

As far as the Viper goes, yeah it is a lot more expensive than the Mustang and the Corvette. However, it isn't really in the same market as those two. The Mustang and the Corvette are both mass-produced on an assembly line while the Viper is assembled by hand. The Mustang and the Corvette are filled with cheap plastics while the Viper uses much finer materials. The fit and finish on the Viper is much better. The SRT-10 also will certainly outperform a Mustang in every way possible as well as the Corvette, which I might add, uses leaf spring in the back. Get with the times Chevy! The Viper also has much more potential than either the Mustang or the Corvette. Remember there is no replacement for displacement. The Viper will always come out ahead mod for mod. The SRT-10 is also barely outperformed by the GT, which is a lot more expensive than the SRT-10. While the GT is a purpose built racing car for the streets the Viper is a convertible, something not usually associated with fast lap times. The Viper is more of an exotic car than the Corvette or the Mustang. They are more along the lines of sports cars. The Viper is really being marketed to a different crowd. Most people shopping for a Viper aren't even going to consider the Corvette or Mustang so you can’t really compare them on price. You say just wait until the C6 Z06 comes out, well Dodge will have an answer. They will have the Viper Coupe waiting for it and I have no doubts that it will make short work of the new Z06.

Also, Chrysler has some of the best bangs for your buck. The SRT-4 is dirt-cheap fun. The 300 is dirt cheap luxury. A lot of their cars have very low base prices for a lot of stuff. Even the new 2005 Jeep has a pretty low base price with a lot to offer. In my opinion Chrysler's products are a far better value than Ford or Chevy.

As to answer the question, I think that Chevy and Ford are equally overrated. Ford for their trucks and Chevy for the Corvette.

two questions...how is the Corvette overrated and since when is the hemi the best gas engine on the market?

[kman10587]

I don't think the Corvette is overrated at all; for the segment that it competes in, it's the best bang-for-buck by far. And in my opinion, LS2 >> Hemi.

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by chevydrummer76

two questions...how is the Corvette overrated and since when is the hemi the best gas engine on the market?

The Corvette is one of the most overrated cars I've ever seen. Corvette fanboys talk about it like it is the God of all cars. It is the American Skyline. I don't how many arguments that I've gotten into about the Z06. They had it beating Ferraris, Vipers, and host of other cars. You can't tell me that a Z06 could touch a 360 Modena SC. Not a chance in hell, but there are a lot of Chevy fanboys that think it can. The Corvette is a nice car, but it isn't nice as half the people make it out to be. As for the Hemi I was talking about in the trucks, and that is just my opinion, take it or leave it.

[chevydrummer76]

It may not be faster than those cars, but its definatley the best bang for the buck. Also if you wanna compare the Corvette to a modena compare the lingenfelter, thats actually in a closer price bracket.