VTec or no Vtec, that is the question

[mellowboy]

Its all good.

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

mellowboy do you have any idea what you are talking about... the easyest swap for a D series motor is a B series motor...a B16 and B18 will fit perfect with a simple motormount swap...but engine swaps arent for the inexperened...even a D series for a B series requires alot of time and money...the easyest option for him is a B18c non V-Tec with a stand alone ECU....trying to integrade a V-tec ECU or even and ECU period into the other controll units in the car is a pain in the ass and should be reserved for profestional electricians who know what they are doing....otherwise the engine will run like ass...if it was me what i would do is go down tothe junk yard, grab you a B18 for 700-1400 USD...then take it home slap it on the engine stand and do a complete overhaul... if the cylenders are scored and its an 81.5mm bore go ahead and have it bored over to 84mm...run either oversized B18 rings and pistons or B20 rings and pistons...or just upgradet the pistons and whole bottom end to a stroker kit and bump your displacement to 2195cc... basicly treat this as a crate engine build up and just keep your car stock untill your engine is ready...the B-sereis block is morethan capable of produceing 250hp Naturally Asperated...with forced induction i wouldnt put over 350HP to it.... if you want to really make power (which it doesnt seem liek you are, but just in case) DART performance makes an exact replica of the b-series block only instead of being made out of weak un heat treated cast iron they are CNC machiened out of aircraft grade aluminum....able to handle well into the 500's HP wise....then do a crate built up on it...companies such as Apexi' make aftermarket performance standalone ECU's...or you can choose to run an OEM ECU and will give you better fule economy and les revs but also much less HP or yo ucan choose to take an OEM ECU to a honda tuneing company and have htem program the ECU to be a stand alone performance ECU and yo ucna tell them about how much HP you want and what mods are going on your car and they can fine tune it for best MPG....or yo ucan take your whole vehicle to a honda tuneing company and have htem integrade the ECU ino the other car controll systems just like it was originally only with the advantage of a performance tuned ECU....i cant really give you prices because i dont know where you live or if there are any honda tuneing companies near you....

You sir, are a crackhead.

There's no - in vtec.

First you tell him that swapping motors, which is basically remove and replace with a B series, is too much for an inexperianced person, then turn around and tell him to try to attempt to completely rebuild a performance motor?

a professional electrician wouldn't know his ass from a hole in the wall when dealing with ECUs, now if you were running a ceiling fan or other household item in your car, you'd be golden.

When boring over a 81mm sleeve to 84mm, you left out a crucial part, can you think what it is?

You don't program an ECU to be a standalone, you replace it with a standalone, that's why it's called "standalone", and while Apex Integration does make a standalone, there are many others that are way better. On that note, NO, you can't just tell a tuner how much Hp you want, and what mods you have and then they "tune it fine". You have to get it on a dyno, and do multiple runs while monitoring your motor to tune it.

And while I am nitpicking, try, for the love of jesus, to at least halfway to spell check, or at least glance at your dribble before hitting the "submit reply" button?

[CBFryman]

Originally Posted by jcrx

You sir, are a crackhead.

There's no - in vtec.

First you tell him that swapping motors, which is basically remove and replace with a B series, is too much for an inexperianced person, then turn around and tell him to try to attempt to completely rebuild a performance motor?

a professional electrician wouldn't know his ass from a hole in the wall when dealing with ECUs, now if you were running a ceiling fan or other household item in your car, you'd be golden.

When boring over a 81mm sleeve to 84mm, you left out a crucial part, can you think what it is?

You don't program an ECU to be a standalone, you replace it with a standalone, that's why it's called "standalone", and while Apex Integration does make a standalone, there are many others that are way better. On that note, NO, you can't just tell a tuner how much Hp you want, and what mods you have and then they "tune it fine". You have to get it on a dyno, and do multiple runs while monitoring your motor to tune it.

And while I am nitpicking, try, for the love of jesus, to at least halfway to spell check, or at least glance at your dribble before hitting the "submit reply" button?

in V-Tec...WTF??? i said non v-tec, where the hell did you get that from... a stock ECU can be made to be a standalone ECU....basicly you just cut it off from all other controll units on the car by shorting signals togather.... i said a swap is not for an inexperenced tuner....but if he was going to do it i was telling him how to do it right...i didnt say yo ucould tell a tuner how much HP you want...i said tell a tuner how much HP yo uwant and want with what mods are going on the car....they do the rest...takes 1-2weeks depending on how complecated you make it for them...and no yo ucant take it to a tuner and say give me 500 hp and then tell him only basic boltons are going on the car.... i was using Apexi as an example...first one that came to mind....and the part left out is the water jacket...any half assed retard who knows a push rod engien from an OHC engine knows that....a profestion electrician "who knows what he is doing" meaning who knows how to program and ECU...not your bob vila running wire from a braker to a light bulb...along with i did not say yo ucould just take a B18 and throw it in their with some new motor mounts and it WORKS...i said it would fit...getting the neigne to fit is the #1 problem to overcome in any engine swap...if it cant fit then why the hell even try anyhting else.... so you sire are a mortal idiot who has no people skill and takes things as they are said to the T and not as they are ment....where any idiot who has actually worked on engines knows what i was talking about

[jcrx]

Originally Posted by CBFryman

in V-Tec...WTF??? i said non v-tec,

Um the -, there is no - in vtec, try looking at a vtec motor, sorry, it's just a petpeeve.

a stock ECU can be made to be a standalone ECU....basicly you just cut it off from all other controll units on the car by shorting signals togather....

What THE fuck are you talking about "shorting signals together"?

And no, a Standalone replaces your ECU.

i said a swap is not for an inexperenced tuner....but if he was going to do it i was telling him how to do it right...

You didn't tell him how to do anything, you spouted out some halfassed dribble.

i didnt say yo ucould tell a tuner how much HP you want..

You didn't? Instant replay....

yo ucna tell them about how much HP you want and what mods are going on your car and they can fine tune it for best MPG....

Judges? Looooooooser.

.i said tell a tuner how much HP yo uwant

So did you, or didn't you?

they do the rest...takes 1-2weeks depending on how complecated you make it for them...

A decent shop can tune a car in a few hours, given that it has the proper managment to do so.

and no yo ucant take it to a tuner and say give me 500 hp and then tell him only basic boltons are going on the car....

At least we agree on something.

and the part left out is the water jacket...any half assed retard who knows a push rod engien from an OHC engine knows that....

Or how about sleeving that once 81mm sleeve that is now 84mm bored out tissue paper?

...along with i did not say yo ucould just take a B18 and throw it in their with some new motor mounts and it WORKS...

With B series swaps, that is practically all you have to do given that you have the axles, tranny, shiftlinkage and ECU for the motor, all of which fit right into a Civic chassis.

i said it would fit...getting the neigne to fit is the #1 problem to overcome in any engine swap...if it cant fit then why the hell even try anyhting else....

Well, the guy isn't asking if he can swap in a Cummings diesel.

so you sire are a mortal idiot who has no people skill and takes things as they are said to the T and not as they are ment....where any idiot who has actually worked on engines knows what i was talking about

You're right, I have no people skills when communicating with idiots, and since someone might read this and try something you say then YES, I do take it to the T, since it could cost someone a lot of money taking your bullshit, halfassed crap you call advice. And anyone that has put gas in their car, or graduated second grade english class can smell you incompetence.

[mellowboy]

CBFryman completely CONFUSES the shit out of me today!

[SiGNAL748]

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[jcrx]

Originally Posted by SiGNAL748

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Haha y0!!! Not back persay, it's hard to find time in Iraq to thrash BS.

[SiGNAL748]

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