why should i believe in a religion?

[Soyo]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

You have misunderstood my post. It is obvious Soyo does not share your beliefs on this subject. My post was addressed specifically towards him, not all Christians.

I'm pretty sure me and DGB share most of the basic beliefs just from reading things he has posted in the numerous religion threads... anyways when I refered to science I meant evolution because that is what people are brainwashed with... they teach you evolution in school so people just accept it. now, with that said, I do believe parts of evolution to be true, but not to the extent that it is said. I believe in 'adaptation' or the ability for things to adapt to fit their surroundings, and survival of the fitest, and yes science has proof of these things. BUT I do not believe that things start as one creature and evolve into something totally different, and this science has no proof of. also I don't believe everything started with little organisms and crap either, and this science also has no proof of. sorry that I said science in such a broad way, I tend not to explain myself sometimes cuz I usually post on here late at night when my brain is workin a little slower

[Soyo]

Originally Posted by -Davo

I asked you a question.

If you're not prepared to answer it, then you shouldn't be arguing in this thread.


And by the way.

So you're saying, humans, the earth, life, plants, animals, the universe.....just appeared out of thin air??

THAT'S WHERE ALL THIS ARGUING HAS LEAD?

Now who's retarded!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Thus disproving the bible with logic.

I win.

this thread is not about science, I won't get into it, like I said you can look in the other thread for that information or you can start your own thread about it if you wish

and frankly, I don't even want to reply/answer to any of your questions because you don't want to hear what I have to say anyways, you just want to yell at me and call me an idiot and say you're right... I'm simply saying good for you and good luck... thats all I have to say to you now

[Soyo]

and I wish people would stop talking about being greedy and being nice... thats a stupid arguement, seriously. being nice or greedy or stuck up or a dickhead or caring or loving or whatever you wanna say really doesn't have much bearing on your religion at all... as I said, I know many unaccepting stuck up people that are Christians, and they bug me just as much as the stuck up non-christians I know... maybe even more because I feel like they aren't following what they claim to believe... anyways I won't get into that because we have enough discussions going on already

but please stop trying to talk about being nice and greedy or whatever... it has nothing to do with 'why should I believe in a religion' so please just chill out

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by Soyo

I'm pretty sure me and DGB share most of the basic beliefs just from reading things he has posted in the numerous religion threads... anyways when I refered to science I meant evolution because that is what people are brainwashed with... they teach you evolution in school so people just accept it. now, with that said, I do believe parts of evolution to be true, but not to the extent that it is said. I believe in 'adaptation' or the ability for things to adapt to fit their surroundings, and survival of the fitest, and yes science has proof of these things. BUT I do not believe that things start as one creature and evolve into something totally different, and this science has no proof of. also I don't believe everything started with little organisms and crap either, and this science also has no proof of. sorry that I said science in such a broad way, I tend not to explain myself sometimes cuz I usually post on here late at night when my brain is workin a little slower

Evolution is taught in school because it is a sound, logical, constructive scientific theory, substantiated by an ongoing effort and an ever - growing body of evidence in a variety of scientific fields.

The only alternative to evolution is creationism. This is a construct of literature and of fiction. It is derived from ancient literary texts and nothing more. Sure, we should teach creationism, but as a part of the liberal arts, as a work of historical fiction or literature. It is a perversion of education to teach it to kids as a serious explaination of our origions.

Soyo, I mean this in a nice, constructive way, but I suspect that some of the scientific principles that I raise on this thread, and the historical references on the other 'God' thread are unfamiliar to you.

I really do not think you understand the extent and scope of the theory of evolution; the ongoing archaeological discoveries being made and the progess being made in this field.

I do not claim to be an expert but I do read a variety of science magazines and have a sound university level education in this and related fields.

This does not diminish your worth as a person; you are young and your education is still in progress. However, your arguments on the topic of science have very little weight behind them. I encourage you to learn more about these subjects before you dismiss them as you do.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by Soyo

this thread is not about science, I won't get into it, l

Nonsense! This thread is about science. Look at the subject heading.
Why should I believe ina religion?

Well the answer, for so many of us is that the scientific anaylysis and logic leads me to conclude that religion is a fictional construct, completely unsubstantiated by evidence.
Like it of not, science is integral with this thread.

[DGB454]

Also science is a religion to many.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by DGB454

Also science is a religion to many.

No. I disagree.

All definitions of religion in my Websters mention God and worship.
Science is does not involve God and worship, it's about the only thing that approx. 1000 posts in this forum seem to agree upon.

Your point makes no sense.

However, you might mean 'many people are obsessed with science.'

Yes, I would agree. An obsession has many similarities with religious devotion. (Personally I think they amount to the same thing)

However, people are often obsessed with things that interest them such as, oh....... lets see........ big block Chevelles in avatars and signatures!

Generally obsessions are only unreasonable if they interfere with one's ability to lead a normal and productive life.

[DGB454]

On Websters online here are 3 other definitions.


2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith

True that some may simply be obsessed with it but some treat it as if it's all powerful, all knowing, all present. (omnipotent, omnipresent....). Sounds like a god. Anyway I see your point so I won't persue it any further.

BTW. I could always go back to the old sci-fi monsters avatar or maybe the urinal series I did a few weeks back.

[Soyo]

first off, I meant evolution isn't the point of this thread, sorry to be so broad

second, good point DGB

third, evolution should not be taught in school, it in no way can be proven, it holds no more ground than creationism, and either both sides should be discussed or neither...

fourth, I know more than you think about evolution, I'm just tired of discussing it with people that won't listen to what I have to say anyways... plus I've typed it all out before and it takes awhile, and like I said, no one listened, they just immediately decided I was dumb so I'm not wasting my time

fifth, don't try to be nice about saying you think I'm dumb and don't know what your talking when you have no idea... I'm not gonna sit here and lie and say I know all about it if I don't... I will say that I haven't read half of what you have been writing about evolution though because like I said, I'm not discussing it here anymore

sixth, you said yourself your no expert, don't get off thinking you know more than me, I've heard plenty of peoples takes on evolution both christians and non-christians and I've looked up tons of information from sites of both sides

seventh, I'm done

[Soyo]

oh and magic rat, you mentioned in the other thread that it didn't seem like I read your posts or pay close attention to them... well pretty much I don't... its all been covered before, just like the mod that closed the last thread said, it went in a big loop, and just like I've been telling you, I've typed it all out before... hopefully this helps you understand

and incase you don't get it, I'm not paying attention to half of what you post, I just skim it